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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Getting an education is not a zero sum game.
    It certainly is a zero sum game if we are talking about the best schools. There are only so many seats available. Do you think the schools add enrollment to hit their diversity goals. Again let's try to be intellectually honest in these discussions.

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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    And race does have a substantial impact on lifetime earnings, life expectancy, etc.... To state that white people are oppressed makes me (blond hair blue eyes) want to vomit.
    Race may be correlated with disparate earnings, but that doesn't mean it's the cause of all or even a substantial part of the gap. I also don't think that most people are really arguing that whites are "oppressed" so much as they're arguing that certain groups of non-URM people tend to get unfairly shafted by affirmative action policies. FWIW, Asians get it much worse than whites.

    Consistent with other studies, though in much greater detail, Espenshade and Radford show the substantial admissions boost, particularly at the private colleges in their study, which Hispanic students get over whites, and the enormous advantage over whites given to blacks. They also show how Asians must do substantially better than whites in order to reap the same probabilities of acceptance to these same highly competitive private colleges. On an "other things equal basis," where adjustments are made for a variety of background factors, being Hispanic conferred an admissions boost over being white (for those who applied in 1997) equivalent to 130 SAT points (out of 1600), while being black rather than white conferred a 310 SAT point advantage. Asians, however, suffered an admissions penalty compared to whites equivalent to 140 SAT points.

    The box students checked off on the racial question on their application was thus shown to have an extraordinary effect on a student's chances of gaining admission to the highly competitive private schools in the NSCE database. To have the same chances of gaining admission as a black student with an SAT score of 1100, an Hispanic student otherwise equally matched in background characteristics would have to have a 1230, a white student a 1410, and an Asian student a 1550.
    Given that there's certainly no supreme Asian power structure here in the US, it seems like schools are less concerned with righting historic wrongs and more concerned with enrolling a student body that has the right proportions.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    How fair is that to the kids who worked their butts off. Got great grades, played sports, got great SAT scores but an adult says sorry we have too many of your type already. Can't you see that the people adversely impacted by that decision will feel that they were discriminated against.
    Well life is not remotely fair. Also lots of the kids in my classes never have played sports, they all have hemoroids the sizes of Chuck Norrises head growing in their ass. Plus, one of the main reason I am certain I got in was that it was not a fall semester and that it is a field most people would not be eager to take especially Americans. Even the ones who work their asses off to get good grades/a good ACT/SAT score. And frankly most of the kids at my classes do not come from impoverished backgrounds and the ones who did may not have gotten the same ACT/SAT score as the ones who came from middleclass or above. But have qualified for being a minority with a decent GPA and ACT/SAT score and the chances of them now becoming something goes way up higher. Sadly, like many white Americans' the "minorities" rarely are that big unless you count Asian's as a minority. But really they make up like 2-3billion of the world's people.

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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's due in part because if you are an american chances are 9 out of 10 times you are white. blacks make up about 12% of the ****ing population, in a "fair" world they should statistically hold about 12% of the positions of power. Anyone with loads of spare time out there want to take a look at congress and calculate the % of black congressmen/women?
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    White Americans (non-Hispanic/Latino and Hispanic/Latino) are the racial majority, with an 80% share of the U.S. population, per official estimates from the Population Estimates Program (PEP),[4] or 75% per the American Community Survey (ACS).[6] Hispanic and Latino Americans compose 15% of the population.[5] Black Americans are the largest racial minority, composing nearly 13% of the population.[4][6] The White, not-Hispanic or Latino population comprises 66% of the nation's total.[5]
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You are holding the funding needs constant; a flaw in your "statistical analysis" . The needs of inner city schools are different than suburban schools on the basis of literacy ages, after school demand, etc.... Therefore, i stand behind my statement of underfunding because of the differentials between child development, parent involvement, crowding, etc....
    So you are saying that black children are inherently more expensive to educate than white children? Interesting.

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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    White Americans (non-Hispanic/Latino and Hispanic/Latino) are the racial majority, with an 80% share of the U.S. population
    thanks for backing up what I said. so I was a tad off. 8 out of 10 times you are white if you are an american and 13% of the pop is black instead of 12%...sue me.
    The basic premise is still valid. Since blacks make up only 13% of the US population why should they make up more than 13% of the power positions?
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Are blacks paid less based on race? No.
    BW Online | July 14, 2003 | For Blacks, Progress without Parity

    But the gains for blacks turned out to be more fragile than anyone realized. Since the stock market bubble burst in March, 2000, black unemployment has soared to nearly 11%, double that of whites. And it's not just less skilled blacks who got hurt. In 2002, the number of employed black managers and professionals fell, with much of the decline coming in financial services, where McKenna used to work. Meanwhile, the number of employed white managers and professionals continued to rise, including in financial services. "Blacks have been disproportionately hit," says Harvard Business School professor David Thomas.

    Taking the last 10 years as a whole, the data reveal a surprising -- and distressing -- fact: Despite the biggest economic boom in 30 years, black Americans closed little, if any, of the gap with whites on important measures of economic success. Average black household income gained slightly, going from 63.4% of white household income in 1991 to 64.9% in 2001, the last year available. Black men earned 73.9% of what white men earned in 2002, measured by median full-time wages and salaries. That's barely up from 73.4% a decade ago. Black female earnings actually lost a bit of ground over the same period, compared with those of white women.
    I could make a counter example and point out all the black athletes that make millions.
    You could and you'd have at most about 60-80 total.

    There is a disproportionate amount of black people on sports teams (especially the NFL and NBA).
    And this is attributed to biological factors which make blacks able to play sports better. How do you explain paying a white guy more for the same job a black guy does?

    Blacks in Sports: The Darwinian Race, Page 2 of 4 - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

    Even in major league baseball, a sport that is of little interest to young, black, urban, youth, still contains a 10% Black population, and a 31% Latino decent population, and Latinos can be considered to be of African descent. There is also a study performed by the Journal of National Cancer Institute that says Blacks contain anywhere from 3 to 19 percent more testosterone that Whites, which may explain the propensity for Blacks to be apparently more athletic. But what can account for this increase in testosterone, and overall athletic ability?
    How many black people have run for president? Just one.
    That is false. Alan Keyes, Jesse Jackson, Sharpton, the list goes on.

    If we really want to scrutinize, we could say blacks have a 100% success rate when it comes to presidential elections. How can an oppressed minority group be elected by the populace to the most powerful position in our country?
    No. We can't. Not a single black politician before Obama regardless of race had ever even been considered for a party nomination. Seriously, pick up a history book. I'll make you look foolish.

    Are Asians a privileged majority?
    They are only a majority in Asia. So I have no clue what it is you're talking about.

    They make more than whites (and everyone else).
    In Asia? Yes. So what? Learn what sociological advantages are before you get back into this conversation. It's ridiculous that you even think that Obama is the first black person to run for president or that comparing sports, which make up a negligible percentage of the U.S. workforce are even relevant to this conversation.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    thanks for backing up what I said. so I was a tad off. 8 out of 10 times you are white if you are an american and 13% of the pop is black instead of 12%...sue me.
    The basic premise is still valid. Since blacks make up only 13% of the US population why should they make up more than 13% of the power positions?
    No. It's not. White-Hispanic =/= White. Your reading comprehension is lacking.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So you are saying that black children are inherently more expensive to educate than white children? Interesting.
    No, i am saying poor children are.
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