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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    While weighting is an issue, to totally dissolve such a system would have a negative impact on diversity.
    diversity just for the sake of diversity in worthless crappola.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You have to take into consideration the context of my statement. If both test scores and grades were the same, there are other means of evaluating potential students; e.g. placement testing, interviews, essays, work experience, community involvement, etc.... Of course grades are important; but to believe that schools simply look at race when grades/test scores are equal ignores the recruiting process.
    I'm not saying that race is the only other factor that's considered or arguing that it shouldn't be considered. I was mostly noting that 1) in terms of winning admission, grades/test scores are weighted more heavily than essays/interviews, and 2) race does have a substantial impact on whether a student is accepted or rejected.

    LSAT's, GRE's, MCAT's, etc... are necessary for grad schools as a means of measuring the quality of an UG education. At the UG level, standardized testing is becoming less and less important.
    I'm not saying that's not the case, but that seems backwards to me. There are thousands of high schools but only a few hundred colleges - if admissions officers needed to use standardized testing as a proxy for the quality of lower level education, it seems like it would be far more important at the UG level than at the graduate level.

    While weighting is an issue, to totally dissolve such a system would have a negative impact on diversity. International recruitment for UG would probably increase as a result (IMO).
    The system wasn't actually dissolved, it was just made informal. Almost all schools engaged in the same practices as UM, they just didn't make it as explicit.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    diversity just for the sake of diversity in worthless crappola.
    Of course it is.

    Helping the competitively disadvantaged become more productive citizens is not.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Of course it is.

    Helping the competitively disadvantaged become more productive citizens is not.
    and how do you help them??? why by giving them some sort of ADVANTAGE...which is what I have been saying all along.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm not saying that race is the only other factor that's considered or arguing that it shouldn't be considered. I was mostly noting that 1) in terms of winning admission, grades/test scores are weighted more heavily than essays/interviews, and 2) race does have a substantial impact on whether a student is accepted or rejected.
    And race does have a substantial impact on lifetime earnings, life expectancy, etc.... To state that white people are oppressed makes me (blond hair blue eyes) want to vomit.

    I'm not saying that's not the case, but that seems backwards to me. There are thousands of high schools but only a few hundred colleges - if admissions officers needed to use standardized testing as a proxy for the quality of lower level education, it seems like it would be far more important at the UG level than at the graduate level.
    The problem is teachers will begin focusing on test prep as opposed to educational enrichment. Such a scenario is non-existent on the university level. Also, there are some students who forge their schedules based on easy professors, which can create discrepancies with GPA. Hence, a standardized approach is more effective in gauging applicants in specialized professions such as law, dental school, etc....

    The system wasn't actually dissolved, it was just made informal. Almost all schools engaged in the same practices as UM, they just didn't make it as explicit.
    Is such a point system based on low minority applicants (it would seem so)?
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and how do you help them??? why by giving them some sort of ADVANTAGE...which is what I have been saying all along.
    Allowing them opportunnities they would have had if they happened to be born white. Remember, you do not have a choice in what race you will be when born. I am not saying we should set the bar low.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Yeah, the whole premise of this thread is crappola, but we really haven't been discussing "white oppression" have we. though I would argue that "culture" has more of an impact on lifetime earnings and life expectancy than "race". Unfortunately it seems that in many cases race and culture go hand in hand. (I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard black students razzing another black kid for "trying to be white" simply because he actually paid attention in class and got good grades.)
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Well luckily for them they will never know the real reason why. They can assume why, but will never know why.
    I think it hurts everyone when the deck is stacked. Some great people may say, what the heck why achieve when sucess is a lottery not based on skills. Could be one of the reasons the U.S. is less able to compete globally.

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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Yeah, the whole premise of this thread is crappola, but we really haven't been discussing "white oppression" have we. though I would argue that "culture" has more of an impact on lifetime earnings and life expectancy than "race". Unfortunately it seems that in many cases race and culture go hand in hand. (I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard black students razzing another black kid for "trying to be white" simply because he actually paid attention in class and got good grades.)
    The bold is a reason why diversity is critical for university education. When you are in HS, you are more or less forced into a particular culture, and then allowed to be in a sub culture (jocks, druggies, nerds, etc...). Going away to school allows you to formulate yourself as an individual without being completely tied to the culture you were brought up in.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Are White People an oppressed minority?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I think it hurts everyone when the deck is stacked. Some great people may say, what the heck why achieve when sucess is a lottery not based on skills. Could be one of the reasons the U.S. is less able to compete globally.
    Getting an education is not a zero sum game.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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