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Legal immigration

Where do you stand on legal immigration?

  • We should reduce the amount of skilled immigration

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  • Total voters
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Why is it that whenever someone talks against easy immigration or illegal aliens that someone is "xenophobic"?
If the shoe fits ...
Do you even know what xenophobia is?
Yes.
If someone is for legal immigration and also wants it to be controlled (weather tightly controlled or not) that is NOT xenophobia.
That's not what I was objecting to. Read the ****ing thread before you spout off. Thanks.
 
Besides what jamesrage said.....Because the US does not have unlimited resources.
That argues for an overall quota, not a quota from specific countries.

Once again, read the ****ing thread. :roll:
 
The shoe doesn't fit when you're using the word incorrectly.



Apparently not since you are using the word incorrectly.
Feel free to persist in your error. :shrug:



I read it. Have been since the begining of the thread. I know what your objecting to and what I said still stands.
What am I objecting to?
 
As usual, the nativist xenophobia eventually breaks through the veil of specious arguments, leaving a path of hyperbole and ad hominem behind it. Happens every time.

Just be honest and say you want to keep all the chinks and greasers out. It would save us both a lot of time. :)

What do my comments have to do with xenophobia? Because I do not want to swing the doors on the border wide open I am somehow a xenophobe?


Just be honest and say you want to keep all the chinks and greasers out. It would save us both a lot of time. :)

What are chinks and greasers? Are those characters in movies depicting the 1950s like The Outsiders or Grease?
 
What do my comments have to do with xenophobia? Because I do not want to swing the doors on the border wide open I am somehow a xenophobe?
Feel free to give a valid reason for individual country quotas at your convenience.
 
That argues for an overall quota, not a quota from specific countries.

Once again, read the ****ing thread. :roll:

Jeeze :roll:

Jamesrage suggested a quota from each country. I said because the US doesn't have unlimited resources when you asked "why?". Since we are a country that doesn't discriminate against people of other countries (legally speaking of course) then the logical thing to do is to put a quota of allowed immigrants from each country. That would allow people from all over the world to come to this country instead of everyone that comes here being from ONE country.
 
Jeeze :roll:

Jamesrage suggested a quota from each country. I said because the US doesn't have unlimited resources when you asked "why?". Since we are a country that doesn't discriminate against people of other countries (legally speaking of course) then the logical thing to do is to put a quota of allowed immigrants from each country. That would allow people from all over the world to come to this country instead of everyone that comes here being from ONE country.
So what happens in the event that the best and brightest from outside of our borders happens to be concentrated in some contries more than others?
 
Feel free to give a valid reason for individual country quotas at your convenience.

I already did in post #22 for why we do not swing the door wide open and let everyone in. Plus quotas ensure that citizens from all countries get an equal chance to come to America while at the same time the people from those countries are not burdening the tax paying population. The fact a particular country may borders ours does not entitle that country to have more of its citizens come here than any other country.
 
You've been given valid reasons. You then started hollering "xenophobia" and "ad hominem".
I did not "holler" anything. I showed where those reasons were invalid.

Had you read the thread before jumping in feet first you would have known this.

Jeeze :roll:
 
I already did in post #22 for why we do not swing the door wide open and let everyone in.
See my post 34.
Plus quotas ensure that citizens from all countries get an equal chance to come to America while at the same time the people from those countries are not burdening the tax paying population.
People that are immigrating here legally are no more a burden to the tax system than the average working American.
The fact a particular country may borders ours does not entitle that country to have more of its citizens come here than any other country.
I never mentioned anything along those lines.
 
See my post 34.

I do not care if some countries may have more educated people than others.

People that are immigrating here legally are no more a burden to the tax system than the average working American.

Its one thing when its the locals that are a burden and its a completely different thing when you import a burden.
I never mentioned anything along those lines.

You mentioned quotas.
 
I do not care if some countries may have more educated people than others.
So it's not about bringing in the best and brightest, it's about having enough white folks coming in to balance out all those brown and yellow folks. Oh, but that's not xenophobia! :roll:
Its one thing when its the locals that are a burden and its a completely different thing when you import a burden.
If they are here working and paying into the system, how is that burdensome?
You mentioned quotas.
I didn't mention adjacent countries.
 
I did not "holler" anything. I showed where those reasons were invalid.

Had you read the thread before jumping in feet first you would have known this.

Jeeze :roll:

Umm...yeah ya did.

As usual, the nativist xenophobia eventually breaks through the veil of specious arguments, leaving a path of hyperbole and ad hominem behind it. Happens every time.

Just be honest and say you want to keep all the chinks and greasers out. It would save us both a lot of time. :)

Your whole post that I just quoted above is about nothing but your claim that people are being xenophobic and using hyperbole and ad hominems. No where in there did you show where any reasons given in this thread were invalid.

And instead of saying that I "just jumped into the thread" I'd suggest that you look back a few pages. I've been commenting in this thread from almost the begining. Perhaps you are the one that should actually read the thread.
 
Umm...yeah ya did.



Your whole post that I just quoted above is about nothing but your claim that people are being xenophobic and using hyperbole and ad hominems. No where in there did you show where any reasons given in this thread were invalid.

And instead of saying that I "just jumped into the thread" I'd suggest that you look back a few pages. I've been commenting in this thread from almost the begining [sic]. Perhaps you are the one that should actually read the thread.
I'm not going to argue with you about what I wrote, as you seem to be unable or unwilling to do anything but read what you want to read and ignore the refutations I have made. If you have anything substantive to add to the debate, please feel free to do so at any time.
 
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So it's not about bringing in the best and brightest, it's about having enough white folks coming in to balance out all those brown and yellow folks. Oh, but that's not xenophobia! :roll:

Why don't you stop the rhetoric and start acting like an adult? And no it's not xenophobia. I gave you the defination of xenophobia. If what you said in your post were true and he just wanted enough white folks coming in to balance the other races then that would either be discrimination or racism not xenophobia. But since what you said is an outright lie then it is neither one of those either.

btw...thanks for proving that you have no idea what xenophobia really is.

If they are here working and paying into the system, how is that burdensome?

Even those that work and pay into the system can still overburden the sytem. That includes everyone, not just immigrants. Or do you actually think that the only ones that are on welfare and get free lunches or gets the government to pay for medical expenses are just lazy bums that don't do crap for a living? At least with immigrants we can limit how much of a burden they may become, unlike natural born citizens.
 
I voted for:
  • We should increase the amount of skilled immigration.
  • We should open our borders to skilled immigrants.
  • We should reduce the amount of unskilled immigration.

My current understanding of the situation is that we have too many unskilled people in our country, both immigrants and those born here.

Thus, more is a bad thing.

Additionally, I am of the strong opinion that our current public school system is in need of a major overhaul, which hopefully can fix the issue of poorly educated non-immigrants.
 
I'm not going to argue with you about what I wrote, as you seem to be unable or unwilling to do anything but read what you want to read and ignore the refutations I have made. If you have anything substantive to add to the debate, please feel free to do so at any time.

When you have something to say other than trying to put words into peoples mouths and hollering about xenophobia perhaps someone will have something more substantive to say.
 
I voted that we should increase both skilled and unskilled immigration. Skilled workers can only fill a certain strata of society, and frankly most people in my generation are very choosy about the kind of work they do. People are less and less inclined to get their hands dirty. Might as well give low level jobs to people who aren't afraid to do them.
 
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I voted that we should increase both skilled and unskilled immigration. Skilled workers can only fill a certain strata of society, and frankly most people in my generation are very choosy about the kind of work they do. People are less and less inclined to get their hands dirty. Might as well give low level jobs to people who aren't afraid to do them.
*stratum

Strata is plural :D. Also: curriculum/curricula, schema/schemata, stigma/stigmata, medium/media, octopus/octopodes.

rabble rabble no more Classics in schools rabble rabble
 
Why don't you stop the rhetoric and start acting like an adult? And no it's not xenophobia. I gave you the defination [sic] of xenophobia. If what you said in your post were true and he just wanted enough white folks coming in to balance the other races then that would either be discrimination or racism not xenophobia. But since what you said is an outright lie then it is neither one of those either.

btw...thanks for proving that you have no idea what xenophobia really is.



Even those that work and pay into the system can still overburden the sytem. That includes everyone, not just immigrants. Or do you actually think that the only ones that are on welfare and get free lunches or gets the government to pay for medical expenses are just lazy bums that don't do crap for a living? At least with immigrants we can limit how much of a burden they may become, unlike natural born citizens.

When you have something to say other than trying to put words into peoples mouths and hollering about xenophobia perhaps someone will have something more substantive to say.
So basically you are going to ride my jock about your misinterpretation of what I've said, or you're going to build idiotic strawmen. Gotcha.

You have nothing relevant to add. Dismissed.
 
So it's not about bringing in the best and brightest, it's about having enough white folks coming in to balance out all those brown and yellow folks.
Do the other 195 countries out there mostly have "white folks" in them? No? so your accusations are baseless and false.
 
So basically you are going to ride my jock about your misinterpretation of what I've said, or you're going to build idiotic strawmen. Gotcha.

You have nothing relevant to add. Dismissed.

I've misinterpreted nothing. Your post is there for all to see. And since you've yet to add anything constructive to this thread you're not even worth dismissing. Until you say something of value I will not be responding to you again in this thread.
 
Do the other 195 countries out there mostly have "white folks" in them? No? so your accusations are baseless and false.
You still haven't explained why having too many educated people from one country is a bad thing.

I'll wait while you think of a non-racist reason.
 
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