View Poll Results: Where do you stand on legal immigration?

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  • We should close our borders to skilled immigrants

    1 3.33%
  • We should reduce the amount of skilled immigration

    0 0%
  • We should maintain the amount of skilled immigration

    9 30.00%
  • We should increase the amount of skilled immigration

    15 50.00%
  • We should open our borders to skilled immigrants

    13 43.33%
  • We should close our borders to unskilled immigrants

    9 30.00%
  • We should reduce the amount of unskilled immigration

    9 30.00%
  • We should maintain the amount of unskilled immigration

    3 10.00%
  • We should increase the amount of unskilled immigration

    6 20.00%
  • We should open our borders to unskilled immigrants

    6 20.00%
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Thread: Legal immigration

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    Re: Legal immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I disagree-educated people are far more likely to help the nation than those without any skills.
    Educated people are also more likely to beable to do more damage to the nation. While an un-educated person could kill a few people an educated person could kill thousands. So it evens out in the long run.

    Also a bit of food for thought here for ya. The richest people in this country are also the most educated people generally correct? Going by that what percentage of people are educated vs uneducated? And yet without those "uneducated" or "unskilled" people those rich folks would not be rich. Because then they would not have the labor force required to build up those businesses.

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    Re: Legal immigration

    We need to do what is best for America and that means skilled labor. I think we need to streamline the citizenship requirements dramatically so that people who want to legally immigrate can do so in a matter of months, not years as it currently stands. I do think this needs to be limited to those either here on legal visas or those who are outside the country. If you're here illegally, you're not eligible for citizenship. Go home for 6 months or so, then try again.
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    Re: Legal immigration

    As to who we let in it should be a first come first serve basis. Of course that said there should be a limit of from each country we let in and some pre-checks and requirements. Those wishing to come to the US should have to pass a criminal background check, pass a health screening,be able to financially support themselves, not be from any country we have the most illegal immigration problems with, carry a translation book on them at all times while in the US unless they are proficient in English, not be affiliated with any terrorist or anti-American groups and not be pregnant.
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    Re: Legal immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As to who we let in it should be a first come first serve basis. Of course that said there should be a limit of from each country we let in and some pre-checks and requirements. Those wishing to come to the US should have to pass a criminal background check, pass a health screening,be able to financially support themselves, not be from any country we have the most illegal immigration problems with, carry a translation book on them at all times while in the US unless they are proficient in English, not be affiliated with any terrorist or anti-American groups and not be pregnant.
    So basically we punish the honest people for the misdeeds of other dishonest people. Nice.

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    Re: Legal immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So basically we punish the honest people for the misdeeds of other dishonest people. Nice.
    Only until those that are here illegally leave. Not all of the illegals sneaked across the border. As my drill sergeants used to say it only takes one of you to **** **** up for everybody else and in the case of letting people into our country it takes several million or more to **** **** up for everybody else.
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    Re: Legal immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Only until those that are here illegally leave. Not all of the illegals sneaked across the border.
    Relevance? Why should it matter how they got here?
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As my drill sergeants used to say it only takes one of you to **** **** up for everybody else and in the case of letting people into our country it takes several million or more to **** **** up for everybody else.
    That's fine for the Army, but this isn't the Army we're talking about. In any event, you're talking about collective punishment, where the offender is punished with all the other non-offenders. In your scenario, the non-offenders are punished in place of the offenders. That solves nothing.

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    Re: Legal immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Relevance? Why should it matter how they got here?
    Then you should not see it as a punishing everybody else issue but a over the limit of how many people from a particular country we want to let in issue.



    That's fine for the Army, but this isn't the Army we're talking about. In any event, you're talking about collective punishment, where the offender is punished with all the other non-offenders. In your scenario, the non-offenders are punished in place of the offenders. That solves nothing.
    Coming into our country is not a right. It is a privileged that can be revoked at any time for any reason and should be revoked especially when it comes to problem countries.
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    Re: Legal immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then you should not see it as a punishing everybody else issue but a over the limit of how many people from a particular country we want to let in issue.
    Why should we have quotas as to country of origin?
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Coming into our country is not a right. It is a privileged that can be revoked at any time for any reason and should be revoked especially when it comes to problem countries.
    That's a non-responsive answer. First you said it was punishment, now you say it isn't.

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    Re: Legal immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Coming into our country is not a right. It is a privileged that can be revoked at any time for any reason and should be revoked especially when it comes to problem countries.
    The whole notion of "problem countries" is a perfect example of the racism that turns people off to anti-immigrant arguments. Why should a skilled worker from Mexico who pursues the legal path to immigration be treated any differently than a skilled worker from Belgium who pursues the legal path to immigration? Do either of them have any control over the actions of unskilled Mexicans crossing into the US without documentation?

    Skilled immigrants are a huge boon to the economy. There is no reason why we need ANY cap on the number of skilled immigrants who come here. The more, the merrier. For unskilled workers, I recognize that we need SOME limitations...but even among unskilled workers we could certainly stand to have more legal immigration than we currently do.
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    Re: Legal immigration

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Why should we have quotas as to country of origin?

    Because we can not let in everybody and the same time we do want a diverse pool of people coming into this country not just mostly one group of people from a single country.

    That's a non-responsive answer. First you said it was punishment,
    It is a answer. We do not have to let anyone into our country.If we have problem countries like illegal immigration problems or some thing else then we should cut that country off.


    now you say it isn't.
    I never said it was not a punishment. I only merely stated how you can look at it.
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