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Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

  • Yes, they should be paid more each year they teach.

    Votes: 3 9.4%

  • No (please explain how you think they should be paid)

    Votes: 29 90.6%
  • Total voters
    32
UtahBill said:
and subject taught. Grading papers is fairly easy in a math class, for english, you have to read all of the papers.
PhsEd should not be paid near as much as core subjects.
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The question is though, is it harder to teach Math or English?
 
megaprogman said:
The question is though, is it harder to teach Math or English?
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My wife said once, if she had it to do over again, she would have taught math...
From my experience, math is easier to learn. There is only one answer for each problem. Get into english grammar, and that isn't too bad, but literature boggles my brains. I seldom got out of a book what teacher said I should....
My GED test scores were 88 to 92, except for literature, that was 58 IIRC, might have even been 48.
 
UtahBill said:
My wife said once, if she had it to do over again, she would have taught math...
From my experience, math is easier to learn. There is only one answer for each problem. Get into english grammar, and that isn't too bad, but literature boggles my brains. I seldom got out of a book what teacher said I should....
My GED test scores were 88 to 92, except for literature, that was 58 IIRC, might have even been 48.
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I was the same way, good at math and confused as hell by literature. But from a teachers perspective, it may be harder to teach math to those with difficulty thatn it is with literature. You only have a finite number of approaches to teach math and if the foundation is faulty and the logic is questionable, it can be hopeless. In literature you can pull in references to all manner of things and explain in a multitude of ways.

I think it is easier to teach English literature to the bad students than it is to teach math to bad students. and that is where the focus should be...perhaps not.
 
The_Patriot said:
Declaring me wrong and proving it with facts are two different things. Sadly, you haven't been able to prove that I am wrong.
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I think it might be more accurate to say he doesn't care enough to try - Sorry, UtahBill, if I’m putting words in your mouth.
 
UtahBill said:
My wife said once, if she had it to do over again, she would have taught math...
From my experience, math is easier to learn. There is only one answer for each problem. Get into English grammar, and that isn't too bad, but literature boggles my brains. I seldom got out of a book what teacher said I should....
My GED test scores were 88 to 92, except for literature, that was 58 IIRC, might have even been 48.
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See now, IMO, the teacher shouldn't have told you what to get out of the book, they should have asked you what you had gotten out of it - after reading it - and discussed yours and other student's takes on the whole thing.

But meh.
 
The Mark said:
See now, IMO, the teacher shouldn't have told you what to get out of the book, they should have asked you what you had gotten out of it - after reading it - and discussed yours and other student's takes on the whole thing.

But meh.
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The worst one was senior year, she did ask, then told us we were wrong....I didn't much like it before that year, hated it while she was my teacher.
 
UtahBill said:
The worst one was senior year, she did ask, then told us we were wrong....I didn't much like it before that year, hated it while she was my teacher.
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If it were me teaching, I would have my students read the book, then turn in a short paper about their take on the book, and have them read and explain it to the class.

Or something along those lines.

Firstly, they would have to think up something on their own, and secondly, the rest of the class would be exposed to ideas they hadn't thought of.

Among other things.
 
The Mark said:
I think it might be more accurate to say he doesn't care enough to try - Sorry, UtahBill, if I’m putting words in your mouth.
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I can do my own light work, you can help when I am up against someone who can make a statement with an actual reference or link to prove himself right.
 
The Mark said:
If it were me teaching, I would have my students read the book, then turn in a short paper about their take on the book, and have them read and explain it to the class.

Or something along those lines.

Firstly, they would have to think up something on their own, and secondly, the rest of the class would be exposed to ideas they hadn't thought of.

Among other things.
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I hated fiction until I got into science fiction, and after reading a lot of Heinlein, I realized he was sneaking in a lot of good stuff. So I reread all of them, with a highlighter at my side....
 
UtahBill said:
you make statements that you won't reference, and expect others to prove you wrong?
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I have referenced my statements with links, but it's not my fault that you didn't read them. The burden is on you to read the links I provided.
 
Gabriel said:
Highly qualified teachers and pedagogical autonomy

In Finnish culture, teaching is one of the most important professions of society, and substantial resources are invested in teacher education.
Teachers are trusted to do their best as true professionals of education. They are entrusted with considerable pedagogical independence in the classroom, and schools have likewise enjoyed significant autonomy in organizing their work within the national curriculum.
All Finnish teachers complete a master’s degree, either in education or in a teaching subject. They are considered pedagogical experts.
Additionally, the profession of classroom teacher is greatly valued and popular among post-secondary students. Only 10% of the applicants for teacher-education programs are admitted.
Finnish teachers set high standards for students’ literacy skills and interests.
Regarded as educational experts, Finnish teachers are relied on when it comes to student assessment, which usually draws on students’ class work, projects, teacher-made exams, and portfolios. In Finland, teacher-based assessment is all the more important because at Finnish comprehensive schools students are not assessed by national tests or examinations during the school years or upon completing school.
Teachers are vested with considerable decision-making authority as concerns school policy and management. They have almost exclusive responsibility for the choice of textbooks and have more say than their counterparts in the OECD countries in determining course content, establishing student assessment policies, deciding which courses the school should offer, and allocating budgets within the school.
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Hyvä päivä Gabriel,

More than having a Master's Degree, what I have bolded I believe is the root of their success.

Autonomy and authority. And in a competitive environment, where the School Fuehrer negotiates and picks his teachers, competition would weed out the poorest teachers, or they would have to elevate standards. Even the worst schools would be better than the average school today... if parents could choose where to send their kids.

What would happen is 50 states would run their own experiments. Best administered as local a level as possible.

To happen, the teachers unions would have to go. Teachers would become independent contractors.

I'll stick with my statement; "there are a lot of educated idiots out there." It's not about the level sheep skin you have. There are more critical factors, some you listed above.
 
The_Patriot said:
I have referenced my statements with links, but it's not my fault that you didn't read them. The burden is on you to read the links I provided.
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your unreferenced statements exceed your referenced ones....those are the ones you need to prove, since you are the one making them....
 
UtahBill said:
your unreferenced statements exceed your referenced ones....those are the ones you need to prove, since you are the one making them....
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The only unreferenced statement I made was about the 5 year old getting arrested and if you ask too many questions you can be expelled. The rest like public indoctrination are all referenced. The onus is on you to disprove my facts. Saying that you don't agree with my facts and proving it are two different things. I'm still waiting for you to back up your statements. To wit, you haven't done so yet, so all of your statements are unreferenced.
 
The_Patriot said:
The only unreferenced statement I made was about the 5 year old getting arrested and if you ask too many questions you can be expelled. The rest like public indoctrination are all referenced. The onus is on you to disprove my facts. Saying that you don't agree with my facts and proving it are two different things. I'm still waiting for you to back up your statements. To wit, you haven't done so yet, so all of your statements are unreferenced.
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My unreferenced statements were refuting your unreferenced statements, so the anus is on you.....
 
UtahBill said:
My unreferenced statements were refuting your unreferenced statements, so the anus is on you.....
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Actually, I entered the discussion after you were discussing your points. The onus is on you to back up your statements and to refute the facts I provided. I'll be waiting patiently for your facts.
 
The_Patriot said:
Actually, I entered the discussion after you were discussing your points. The onus is on you to back up your statements and to refute the facts I provided. I'll be waiting patiently for your facts.
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don't hold your breath, I know that educating you is too daunting a task for me, I have way too little patience.
I will cast my pearls elsewhere, thank you....:2wave:
 
UtahBill said:
don't hold your breath, I know that educating you is too daunting a task for me, I have way too little patience.
I will cast my pearls elsewhere, thank you....:2wave:
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In short, you have nothing to dispute my facts. I'll take this as a concession to my points.
 
The_Patriot said:
In short, you have nothing to dispute my facts. I'll take this as a concession to my points.
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You assume too much, without knowledge, that is your problem. You only hear what you want to hear, and disregard the rest. (Paul Simon, Art Garfunkell, the boxer)

I do not concede, I retreat in the face of superior stubbornness, and inferior intellect based on having a very closed mind.
The potential reward for educating you is nil....
 
UtahBill said:
You assume too much, without knowledge, that is your problem. You only hear what you want to hear, and disregard the rest. (Paul Simon, Art Garfunkell, the boxer)

I do not concede, I retreat in the face of superior stubbornness, and inferior intellect based on having a very closed mind.
The potential reward for educating you is nil....
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Then pony up some facts or are you afraid to be proven wrong?
 
The_Patriot said:
Then pony up some facts or are you afraid to be proven wrong?
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If I am to be proven wrong, it will be only in your mind. But, to humor you, what specifically did I say that you want proven? No fair if what I said was in rebuttal to your unfounded opinions...
 
UtahBill said:
If I am to be proven wrong, it will be only in your mind. But, to humor you, what specifically did I say that you want proven? No fair if what I said was in rebuttal to your unfounded opinions...
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In short you have nothing except your hot air. Good day to you sir and thank you for your concession.
 
The_Patriot said:
In short you have nothing except your hot air. Good day to you sir and thank you for your concession.
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cut and run,
I caught you in one,
for me do the same,
or admit you are lame.



My one is your claim about arresting 5 years old, so YOU OWE ME ONE.....
 
UtahBill said:
cut and run,
I caught you in one,
for me do the same,
or admit you are lame.



My one is your claim about arresting 5 years old, so YOU OWE ME ONE.....
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You owe me a lot more than that so pony up.
 
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