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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Well, and like everything else, there are benefits and detractions from every change in education. A year long school academic calendar can have moments of making sure students are keeping to task with the curriculum, because of the more frequent breaks. Then again, it could allow for more unit plan design, and some perhaps much needed easing of an instructor's schedule. If, for instance, a longer day-to-day schedule were introduced, if properly used, could allow for more content covered or more team building exercises. Then, for parents, maybe if the school day is longer, the end of the day is roughly the same time parents get off work. Then, again, perhaps parents will yearn for the moment where they have enough time with their child instead of being not seeing them as much as they want. Then again, if anyone here is Catholic, if improperly employed, could lead to a feeling of being that young kid being stuck in a 2 hour or longer mass rather than the already somewhat excruciating hour found in every Sunday.

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    The public schools here did an 'experiment' of sorts (back in 2003) and had year-round school. The students got 2 weeks off for every 8 they were in school. Test scores actually improved and retention of information from one 'year' to the next improved tremendously. Trouble was with the parents of the students. At first supporting the year round school, but after a time of implementing the new 'schedule', they quickly discovered that households that either had only one worked and those households with two parents; both of whom worked - had real issues trying to schedule some sort of daycare for their children as taking off every 9th week for two weeks was impractical an put many families in a real financial bind.

    I think it could be doable, but like anything it will take some trial and error before a viable solution is discovered.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to basing teacher salaries on the number of degrees attained or the number of college credits they have accrued.

    Another thing to remember is that teachers have to follow the lesson plans that the school board puts forth. So in a lot of ways, teachers have their hands tied because of the officials who get elected to the school board.

    This is why I think we need to make public schools more localized, and have such decisions made on a school-by-school basis rather than on a district-by-district basis. One of the problems with our educational system is that it's getting too watered down by too many political factions to make the most amount of people happy. By doing it on a school-by-school basis, there will be a smaller number of factions having a say, which means more focus with regards to what the kids in that school are taught.
    School boards don't do lesson plans, teachers make their own according to criteria set forth by the school administration.
    Schools should NOT be allowed to become too localized. The upper grades at a school in Idaho that my kids attended had very few advanced classes. The farmer mentality prevailed, and farmers don't see the need for such things. We moved to AZ, and the schools there were far superior.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to basing teacher salaries on the number of degrees attained or the number of college credits they have accrued.

    Another thing to remember is that teachers have to follow the lesson plans that the school board puts forth. So in a lot of ways, teachers have their hands tied because of the officials who get elected to the school board.

    This is why I think we need to make public schools more localized, and have such decisions made on a school-by-school basis rather than on a district-by-district basis. One of the problems with our educational system is that it's getting too watered down by too many political factions to make the most amount of people happy. By doing it on a school-by-school basis, there will be a smaller number of factions having a say, which means more focus with regards to what the kids in that school are taught.
    I would be wary of schools becoming too localized, lest some students come-up unprepared for the world. I think broad guidlines should be set to allow a standard to insure that all students recieve valuable knowledge and not just what local parents value. But I do agree that teachers do need some room to operate and perform to the best of their abilities.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    No way! Some of the very best teachers are new fresh outta college
    that's because they haven't had the "good" beaten out of them by years of lousy schedules and classes filled with all the trouble makers in the school.

    I was an excellent teacher when I first started out. Then I pissed off the principal by refusing to coach football for free. suddenly I went from teaching AP Chemistry, General Chem and Physics to teaching earth science, physical science and remedial algebra. after a few years of that crap I just stopped giving a **** and became one of those lazy unmotivated teachers, a couple years later I quit.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I wouldn't be opposed to basing teacher salaries on the number of degrees attained or the number of college credits they have accrued.
    Why? Is there any correlation between the teacher's credentials and the students' achievement?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart
    Another thing to remember is that teachers have to follow the lesson plans that the school board puts forth. So in a lot of ways, teachers have their hands tied because of the officials who get elected to the school board.
    Most schools have similar curricula that teachers are supposed to cover in each class. I think that if you laid the curricula from two different school boards side by side, it would be very difficult to tell which came from the wealthy district and which came from the failing school. The main difference is in the quality of the teachers.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's because they haven't had the "good" beaten out of them by years of lousy schedules and classes filled with all the trouble makers in the school.

    I was an excellent teacher when I first started out. Then I pissed off the principal by refusing to coach football for free. suddenly I went from teaching AP Chemistry, General Chem and Physics to teaching earth science, physical science and remedial algebra. after a few years of that crap I just stopped giving a **** and became one of those lazy unmotivated teachers, a couple years later I quit.
    All the more reason not to pay teachers based on experience.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    that's because they haven't had the "good" beaten out of them by years of lousy schedules and classes filled with all the trouble makers in the school.

    I was an excellent teacher when I first started out. Then I pissed off the principal by refusing to coach football for free. suddenly I went from teaching AP Chemistry, General Chem and Physics to teaching earth science, physical science and remedial algebra. after a few years of that crap I just stopped giving a **** and became one of those lazy unmotivated teachers, a couple years later I quit.
    My wife started out in Kindergarten in Idaho, 30 kids in the morning, 30 more in the afternoon. After one year, she had most of her kids reading, more than ready for first grade. The other 2 kindergarten teachers just taught the required subjects, which was being able to write your letters, some of your numbers, and color within the lines. OK, that last part may be exaggerated...
    Parents of the other 2 classes, many of them, saw what was happening before Christmas break, and got on the principal's back about it. What did HE do? Tried to fire my wife. Long story short, the school board told him that if anybody got fired, it would be him...

    The other 2 were single moms, had to work, didn't really want to work. My wife loves teaching, always has.

    I should add here, the administration fought the parents for years over kindergarten, saying it was not needed.
    Parents forced the issue. Comes from having a former jock as superintendent...
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why? Is there any correlation between the teacher's credentials and the students' achievement?
    is there any correlation between the student's acheivement and the quality of the teacher? It has been my experience that the "good" kids are going to learn and do well whether they have a really good teacher or a **** teacher (their own motivation and that of their parents will ensure it) and the "bad" kids are not going to learn diddly no matter how good the teacher is.

    basing teacher merit solely on "student performance" ends up punishing those teachers that get handed the "crap" students, regardless of how good the teacher is.

    that old saying, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" is very appropriate in the public school setting. or as I like to say:

    if you give a world class chef a turd and say, "make me something to eat", whatever he prepares is going to taste like ****.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    My wife started out in Kindergarten in Idaho, 30 kids in the morning, 30 more in the afternoon. After one year, she had most of her kids reading, more than ready for first grade. The other 2 kindergarten teachers just taught the required subjects, which was being able to write your letters, some of your numbers, and color within the lines. OK, that last part may be exaggerated...
    Parents of the other 2 classes, many of them, saw what was happening before Christmas break, and got on the principal's back about it. What did HE do? Tried to fire my wife. Long story short, the school board told him that if anybody got fired, it would be him...

    The other 2 were single moms, had to work, didn't really want to work. My wife loves teaching, always has.
    I used to love teaching, but 4-5 years of baby sitting 19 year old HS freshmen kinda beat it out of me.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I used to love teaching, but 4-5 years of baby sitting 19 year old HS freshmen kinda beat it out of me.
    It's a shame you couldn't have beat it out of them instead.

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