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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Experience, continuing education (Masters, Phd.), performance reviews.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you misunderstood my point .... or more likely, i did not make it very clear
    the teachers in the more affluent schools in this community's public school system who were already recognized to be exceptional teachers were being offered the premium pay to leave their present school assignments to take teaching positions in the more challenging schools - those with inferior performance records
    those high performing teachers did not want to make the move. despite the rich premium offered. being able to teach, instead of babysit was the determinative factor
    I think that different schools could offer different average salaries, depending on how difficult it is to attract good teachers to that district. But they could still offer merit pay. So for example, an inner city might need to pay slightly more on average per teacher. But simply by offering merit pay, they could increase the talent pool of their teachers even if they weren't getting the best of the best.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba
    you make a statement as if to insinuate that i established that students from rough neighborhoods are incapable or unwilling to learn. that is not a valid position
    however, with few exceptions, the performance data from public schools located in rough neighborhoods will indicate they perform at lesser levels than their more affluent counterparts
    I agree, but that's mostly just a matter of the quality of those schools IMO. It may be more challenging to educate those who come from impoverished backgrounds, but I do not agree that "little teaching can be accomplished in awful schools where children are not there to get an education." It seems to me that Geoffrey Canada's example demonstrated that the awful schools are what caused the students to turn away from education, rather than the other way around. If you can put talented teachers in failing schools, you can completely change the perspectives of the students.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba
    now tell us, other than better performance outcomes, what about the canada charter schools is different from the way the public schools in its community operates. that might be telling
    In the New York public schools, it is literally impossible to fire a teacher for any reason (including sexual misconduct with a student), let alone something at least partially subjective like incompetence. Geoffrey Canada was able to keep the high performers and get rid of the bad teachers. Additionally, students are in school for more hours per year than the students at the nearby public schools, which are hampered by burdensome union contracts.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Judging by several posts in this thread, I would judge that teachers unions are part of the issue in some areas.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think that different schools could offer different average salaries, depending on how difficult it is to attract good teachers to that district. But they could still offer merit pay. So for example, an inner city might need to pay slightly more on average per teacher. But simply by offering merit pay, they could increase the talent pool of their teachers even if they weren't getting the best of the best.



    I agree, but that's mostly just a matter of the quality of those schools IMO. It may be more challenging to educate those who come from impoverished backgrounds, but I do not agree that "little teaching can be accomplished in awful schools where children are not there to get an education." It seems to me that Geoffrey Canada's example demonstrated that the awful schools are what caused the students to turn away from education, rather than the other way around. If you can put talented teachers in failing schools, you can completely change the perspectives of the students.



    In the New York public schools, it is literally impossible to fire a teacher for any reason (including sexual misconduct with a student), let alone something at least partially subjective like incompetence. Geoffrey Canada was able to keep the high performers and get rid of the bad teachers. Additionally, students are in school for more hours per year than the students at the nearby public schools, which are hampered by burdensome union contracts.
    "Slightly" more pay won't do it. Nobody in their right mind looks at just the pay when they take a job.
    Just like any other job, people seek to improve their lives, but they aren't likely to go to work at a school with known gang problems, or even a good school with non supportive administration. I know one teacher ready to leave a very good district to go to work as an asst. principal in a district that pays their administrators a little less but you can count on the District level administration to support the teachers and principals when parents get crazy. When a child becomes disruptive, the teacher should not have to have that child in his/her class. Send the kid home and let the parents deal with the bad behavior.
    My wife taught many years, 8th grade, and in her last year she got the student from hell, with parents who insisted their child was an angel, even tho he did almost no school work, and beat up on little kids on the playground. Dealing with that little punk, she was happy to retire...
    There aren't that many bad kids in most schools, it shouldn't be so hard to send them home.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    No in any industry there are people who have been there years who are useless but its too much effort and expence to get rid of them.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by mikhail View Post
    No in any industry there are people who have been there years who are useless but its too much effort and expence to get rid of them.
    Some have been doing it too long, and are way too cranky to be teachers. That is why I think teachers should have an early retirement option like cops, military, fire department...
    They won't HAVE to retire early, but there should be an option...
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    I can safely say that money wouldn't always entice me. It depends on where I am going. You couldn't pay me enough to teach EBD students. My student teaching was bad enough. It would be a daily nightmare to teach emotionally and behaviourally disabilities.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Judging by several posts in this thread, I would judge that teachers unions are part of the issue in some areas.
    Oh there's no doubt about that. However, the issue is if performance-based salaries would work, and I don't think they would because it wouldn't be based on teacher performance but rather student performance. And I don't think students care enough, and I don't think teachers should be punished for that.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    I believe their pay increases should be based on performance review and the furthering of their own knowledge bases.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    I believe their pay increases should be based on performance review and the furthering of their own knowledge bases.
    I wouldn't be opposed to basing teacher salaries on the number of degrees attained or the number of college credits they have accrued.

    Another thing to remember is that teachers have to follow the lesson plans that the school board puts forth. So in a lot of ways, teachers have their hands tied because of the officials who get elected to the school board.

    This is why I think we need to make public schools more localized, and have such decisions made on a school-by-school basis rather than on a district-by-district basis. One of the problems with our educational system is that it's getting too watered down by too many political factions to make the most amount of people happy. By doing it on a school-by-school basis, there will be a smaller number of factions having a say, which means more focus with regards to what the kids in that school are taught.

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