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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I was planning on going to graduate school during the summers. Jerks
    Well, if it makes you feel any better, I also advocate starting lessons later in the day. While schools may have to start just as early as it always does so parents can get to their jobs, lessons should start later when the children are actually awake and active enough to be able to retain what they're taught. So maybe you could just take morning classes.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    “Simple question. Maybe a simple answer.
    Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?
    If so, why?
    If not, how would you revamp the salary schedules if you were in charge?”
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    Teachers should be paid based strictly on merit. If they do not perform--fire them. If they perform well then compensate them appropriately. Let them treat their jobs as though they were actual, “real-life” jobs that the rest of us are expected to perform with the acknowledgement from the rest of us that since these people are working directly with our children they must always be held to a higher-standard.

    My unfortunate experience in getting to know teachers over the years is that they seem to be the “bottom of the barrel” as far as “academic achievers” go and yet these same people are employed to teach our children while often times more qualified people are barred from teaching.

    I do believe that this is a problem that can’t be fixed until the teachers unions are outlawed. Until then, nothing of consequence is going to happen and parents only option will be for private school which is not something most people can afford.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, if it makes you feel any better, I also advocate starting lessons later in the day. While schools may have to start just as early as it always does so parents can get to their jobs, lessons should start later when the children are actually awake and active enough to be able to retain what they're taught. So maybe you could just take morning classes.
    Perhaps, but perhaps not. Maybe not with History graduate school. Need a great deal of time for research and writing. Non-thesis options still require a decent portion of 15-30 page papers per course.

    Now, if I were going to graduate school specifically in the education fields, then perhaps so. However, I was approached to think about some sort of hybrid, where I could possibly research historical trends in education and so forth, perhaps even an intellectual history of education.

    We do have to keep in mind a large portion of teachers can identify with the notion that, "I can't recall the last time I had free time." But, my approach to graduate school seemed like the best idea, should I still be in line for positions, even though the economy is the way it is, and people may be putting off retiring in order to better accomodate for the circumstances. We are in the situation of having a massive amount of educators retiring over the next several years. I'm in a prime situation to suck up some jobs, but I have to wait and see. Perhaps I'll just move straight to graduate school.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    I agree with alot of what you have to say. One problem. The schools are already tight in terms of funds. I like the idea of year round schools but people are going to have to be willing to pay for them. And with all the anger and fervor in our society there are few people who would support the proposal.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by snbl11225 View Post
    I agree with alot of what you have to say. One problem. The schools are already tight in terms of funds. I like the idea of year round schools but people are going to have to be willing to pay for them. And with all the anger and fervor in our society there are few people who would support the proposal.
    Well, go a few years without any public school at all, have all those kids out on the street causing trouble, they'll get in a fervor then and realize the importance of paying taxes.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Well, and like everything else, there are benefits and detractions from every change in education. A year long school academic calendar can have moments of making sure students are keeping to task with the curriculum, because of the more frequent breaks. Then again, it could allow for more unit plan design, and some perhaps much needed easing of an instructor's schedule. If, for instance, a longer day-to-day schedule were introduced, if properly used, could allow for more content covered or more team building exercises. Then, for parents, maybe if the school day is longer, the end of the day is roughly the same time parents get off work. Then, again, perhaps parents will yearn for the moment where they have enough time with their child instead of being not seeing them as much as they want. Then again, if anyone here is Catholic, if improperly employed, could lead to a feeling of being that young kid being stuck in a 2 hour or longer mass rather than the already somewhat excruciating hour found in every Sunday.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't mind teachers being paid on the years they've worked for the school system. After all, there's so many factors regarding education that it shouldn't be put all on the teachers. And considering the amount of crap they have to put up with, I don't mind it if they earn tenure.
    I think this is exactly the wrong mindset, if I understood you correctly. It's still teacher-focused rather than student-focused: A teacher should get tenure simply because they have to "put up with crap," rather than because it will actually help the students. I think we need to stamp out that mindset entirely in our education system. It exists to educate students, not to provide teachers with jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart
    2) Pay students to learn. We've poured so much money into computers and teacher salaries and programs and equipment that we have forgotten who we're doing this for: the children. So start pouring money into the children directly. Give them a reason to apply themselves. I would do a 10% cut of all public education programs and salaries to administrators and use that money to set up a fund to pay students for their performance. This way, students will apply themselves more and they can earn money themselves for things instead of having it given to them by the school. After all, the students won't care how much money the teachers get, so targeting teacher salaries is ignorant and stupid. Rather, target student salaries by creating them.
    I like this idea a lot. I think we had a thread about this a couple months ago too. I think it would definitely at least be worthwhile to see if something like this was effective at raising student performance. My hunch is that it would be.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart
    3) Create year-round school programs. Allow parents to opt their students in for summer school in order to review what they went through the year before and to help prepare them for what they'll learn in the next year. Students forget a lot of schooling during the summer months. Allow students the opportunity to go year round if their parents choose to in order to better their education.
    I agree. Our school years are too short...among the shortest in the world. And along the same lines, I think that the school day is too short. When I was in school it was only 7 hours (including lunch). In "Waiting For Superman," Bill Gates suggested that a longer school day would not only allow more time for education, but it would get kids in the mindset that school was the primary thing that they were doing each day.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart
    4) Teach to the talents of the children. I keep hearing how children in the U.S. school system are below average in science and math when it comes to children in other school systems. Yeah, well, the thing is not every child is going to be good in all subjects. Some children just don't get math. It can take a while to understand things mathematically. As for science, kids will start taking more of an interest in science when we let them experiment on their own. Let kids do chemical reactions. Let kids cut animals up. Let kids make household explosives. That'll get them to understand practical applications of science. Until then, STFU about it and teach them the stuff they do get, like literature, music, and art.
    Ehh...I half-agree. It's important to teach kids stuff that they're interested in, to keep them motivated to do well. But I think it's wrong to write off students as simply "not being good in math." Especially before they get to high school. From K-8, I think it's important to teach students all the core subjects whether they are good at them or not. Everyone needs to know how to do some basic math.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart
    5) After school internships. Place high schoolers in internships for their chosen career path. Help young writers get positions in the news media or with a publishing company. Help young lawyers do work for established attorneys. Show young law enforcement officers how police procedures and forensics work. There's only so much of sitting in a desk and listening to a guy drone on that a child can learn from until they have to actually go out into the world and get some practical experience. Let them get a taste of the real world before we throw them out into it. Street smarts is just as important as book smarts.
    This is a good idea too. I think that high schools should do more in terms of preparing people for "the real world," whether that be college or vocational training.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Their salaries should be based entirely on merit. Not on years of experience, or advanced degrees, or anything else. We pretty much have the worst possible system right now. Paying people the same regardless of performance (and making it impossible to fire the worst performers) pretty much guarantees that we'll get mediocrity.
    Entirely on merit? How will you get good teachers to work in the bad schools?
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Interesting.
    Experience does have a value, but more in some professions than others.
    Being an effective teacher is a gift from heaven, the idea is to quickly detect this and use it to its fullest..I do not think that 1000 tests and 100 years of experience will change this. .
    Maybe it is also a gift that makes it possible for another man to see this..
    Had a boss once who said that there is a difference between 20 years experience and 2 years experience 10 times....
    OTOH, teaching doesn't change that much year to year. Once a teacher really knows the topic, and teaches it effectively, the only thing that changes is the quality of the student.....
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Entirely on merit? How will you get good teachers to work in the bad schools?
    An unintended consequence of such measures could be that. As you say, it begs the question, what is the impact of the individual versus groups of individuals? It is entirely possible groups of individuals matter more than one teacher who is trying to do their job well. It would entirely depend on what one would use to judge "merit", but it is possible that the measurement of environment would unfairly judge the performance of teachers.
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