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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The question is though, is it harder to teach Math or English?
    Depends on the student and the teacher in question.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    See now, IMO, the teacher shouldn't have told you what to get out of the book, they should have asked you what you had gotten out of it - after reading it - and discussed yours and other student's takes on the whole thing.

    But meh.
    The worst one was senior year, she did ask, then told us we were wrong....I didn't much like it before that year, hated it while she was my teacher.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Declaring me wrong and proving it with facts are two different things. Sadly, you haven't been able to prove that I am wrong.
    you make statements that you won't reference, and expect others to prove you wrong?
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The worst one was senior year, she did ask, then told us we were wrong....I didn't much like it before that year, hated it while she was my teacher.
    If it were me teaching, I would have my students read the book, then turn in a short paper about their take on the book, and have them read and explain it to the class.

    Or something along those lines.

    Firstly, they would have to think up something on their own, and secondly, the rest of the class would be exposed to ideas they hadn't thought of.

    Among other things.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I think it might be more accurate to say he doesn't care enough to try - Sorry, UtahBill, if I’m putting words in your mouth.
    I can do my own light work, you can help when I am up against someone who can make a statement with an actual reference or link to prove himself right.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If it were me teaching, I would have my students read the book, then turn in a short paper about their take on the book, and have them read and explain it to the class.

    Or something along those lines.

    Firstly, they would have to think up something on their own, and secondly, the rest of the class would be exposed to ideas they hadn't thought of.

    Among other things.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    you make statements that you won't reference, and expect others to prove you wrong?
    I have referenced my statements with links, but it's not my fault that you didn't read them. The burden is on you to read the links I provided.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Highly qualified teachers and pedagogical autonomy

    In Finnish culture, teaching is one of the most important professions of society, and substantial resources are invested in teacher education.
    Teachers are trusted to do their best as true professionals of education. They are entrusted with considerable pedagogical independence in the classroom, and schools have likewise enjoyed significant autonomy in organizing their work within the national curriculum.
    All Finnish teachers complete a master’s degree, either in education or in a teaching subject. They are considered pedagogical experts.
    Additionally, the profession of classroom teacher is greatly valued and popular among post-secondary students. Only 10% of the applicants for teacher-education programs are admitted.
    Finnish teachers set high standards for students’ literacy skills and interests.
    Regarded as educational experts, Finnish teachers are relied on when it comes to student assessment, which usually draws on students’ class work, projects, teacher-made exams, and portfolios. In Finland, teacher-based assessment is all the more important because at Finnish comprehensive schools students are not assessed by national tests or examinations during the school years or upon completing school.
    Teachers are vested with considerable decision-making authority as concerns school policy and management. They have almost exclusive responsibility for the choice of textbooks and have more say than their counterparts in the OECD countries in determining course content, establishing student assessment policies, deciding which courses the school should offer, and allocating budgets within the school.
    Hyvä päivä Gabriel,

    More than having a Master's Degree, what I have bolded I believe is the root of their success.

    Autonomy and authority. And in a competitive environment, where the School Fuehrer negotiates and picks his teachers, competition would weed out the poorest teachers, or they would have to elevate standards. Even the worst schools would be better than the average school today... if parents could choose where to send their kids.

    What would happen is 50 states would run their own experiments. Best administered as local a level as possible.

    To happen, the teachers unions would have to go. Teachers would become independent contractors.

    I'll stick with my statement; "there are a lot of educated idiots out there." It's not about the level sheep skin you have. There are more critical factors, some you listed above.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I have referenced my statements with links, but it's not my fault that you didn't read them. The burden is on you to read the links I provided.
    your unreferenced statements exceed your referenced ones....those are the ones you need to prove, since you are the one making them....
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    your unreferenced statements exceed your referenced ones....those are the ones you need to prove, since you are the one making them....
    The only unreferenced statement I made was about the 5 year old getting arrested and if you ask too many questions you can be expelled. The rest like public indoctrination are all referenced. The onus is on you to disprove my facts. Saying that you don't agree with my facts and proving it are two different things. I'm still waiting for you to back up your statements. To wit, you haven't done so yet, so all of your statements are unreferenced.

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