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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    There are all manner of educated idiots. Teacher level means nada. My high school had a Master's Degree teacher for math, and he was ineffective. He would have been one of the first to get cut loose had I run the place as a private business.

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    BCTF > Finland

    Finlandís education system is tops: Hereís why
    by Mike Lombardi

    Finland, a country with a population of five million, has once again scored at the top in international tests in math, science, and reading literacy. This article summarizes policy directions that have made Finland the international academic star. Policy makers, educators, and the media can take a lesson from Finland.
    Highly qualified teachers and pedagogical autonomy

    In Finnish culture, teaching is one of the most important professions of society, and substantial resources are invested in teacher education.
    Teachers are trusted to do their best as true professionals of education. They are entrusted with considerable pedagogical independence in the classroom, and schools have likewise enjoyed significant autonomy in organizing their work within the national curriculum.
    All Finnish teachers complete a masterís degree, either in education or in a teaching subject. They are considered pedagogical experts.
    Additionally, the profession of classroom teacher is greatly valued and popular among post-secondary students. Only 10% of the applicants for teacher-education programs are admitted.
    Finnish teachers set high standards for studentsí literacy skills and interests.
    Regarded as educational experts, Finnish teachers are relied on when it comes to student assessment, which usually draws on studentsí class work, projects, teacher-made exams, and portfolios. In Finland, teacher-based assessment is all the more important because at Finnish comprehensive schools students are not assessed by national tests or examinations during the school years or upon completing school.
    Teachers are vested with considerable decision-making authority as concerns school policy and management. They have almost exclusive responsibility for the choice of textbooks and have more say than their counterparts in the OECD countries in determining course content, establishing student assessment policies, deciding which courses the school should offer, and allocating budgets within the school.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    My daughter told me once that I am a master of useless information....
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    There are all manner of educated idiots. Teacher level means nada. My high school had a Master's Degree teacher for math, and he was ineffective. He would have been one of the first to get cut loose had I run the place as a private business.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Most of the Scandinavians have an advantage over us....just learning to speak their language reasonably well, they have already developed their brains more than most of us...
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Why should I move from my country when I'm quite happy with the people? The government is not the country, but the people are. My dad taught me the best bit of advice, which is I love my country, but I hate my government. This is coming from a Vietnam vet that lost 62 of his best friends in the Mekong Delta. Besides there is such a thing as freedom of thought and expression. Are you saying that I'm not allowed to enjoy my freedoms just because you disagree with me?
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    What about the schools in New York City where children as young as 5 are arrested for failing to listen to the teachers? What about schools that lose accredidation from the state? Should they still be allowed to teach when they have demonstrated that they cannot?
    Could you provide some proof of this happening. It sounds crazy.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A good teacher can certainly change the proportion of those who are listening. Of course kids are going to be falling asleep in class if the teacher drones on in a monotone voice, spending the entire class facing the whiteboard with his back to his students. Furthermore, a good teacher can change how much the good students excel, and how far behind the bad students fall. There will always be some students who do better than others, but the teacher absolutely does have an effect on how much they are learning. It's about much more than student involvement, and in any case, student involvement is not a constant. If it was, we could just replace all the teachers with a recording of the lesson and save a lot of money on salaries.

    Research has shown that a good teacher can cover 1.5 years of material in a single school year, whereas a bad teacher may cover as little as 0.5 years. In other words, the quality of the teacher determines an entire year's worth of material each and every school year.
    Your link is one authors opinion. They are trying to sell a book. Hardly a definitive comment on education.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Simple question. Maybe a simple answer.

    Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    If so, why?
    If not, how would you revamp the salary schedules if you were in charge?
    i think teacher salaries should be based on a few things:

    1. merit
    2. education
    3. years of service
    4. grades taught

    it's important for new and younger teachers to have older teachers as mentors. continuing education is paramount, and results, obviously, are primary.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Most of the Scandinavians have an advantage over us....just learning to speak their language reasonably well, they have already developed their brains more than most of us...
    lol, dear lord.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    That's part of being allowed into the school and to see how close you are to the school's academic level. Tests were instituted because of the failure of public schools to teach. However, I do know that Catholic and many church schools will not turn away a student.
    Nope two of them were a Catholic school and my brother was turned down because he was 1% under what they wanted. In fact growing up church schools were the hardest to get into because you had to take a test and do an interview for the high schools.

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