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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It doesn't really matter where the money comes from. We're talking maybe $20,000 at most for a LARGE school. That isn't going to break the bank.
    Dream on, businesses see govt contracts as a license to steal....
    I have personally stuck my nose into school business, but was asked to. I have fixed, for free, computers that "need a new mother board". It was a cracked solder joint one time, a loose connection another time....
    Some crook was trying to sell a portable sound system to my wife's school, for about $3000, and it was basic home style consumer junk worth about $1500. I built them a system using commercial grade stuff for less, all I had to do was tell Guitar Center it was being paid for by a school, and they offered discounts immediately.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Kids are born with an innate ability to learn so no you do not have to teach that. Schooling numbs and kills the creative minds of the kids so they will follow orders and obey whoever is in charge. I remember that well from my 13 years in public indoctrination. Our schools perform worse out of the industrial world because it's not designed to teach, but to get kids to be good little robots and follow orders. This is why you see on the news all the time about students being arrested for jumping in puddles and not minding a teacher. Also, the student must be interested in learning those subjects and naturally will have a well rounded education as evidenced by the way charter and certain private schools are run. The student decides what classes they want to take because it interests them.
    It is good that some can do home schooling, but the majority are not capable of doing that, or have the time...
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    That's the problem with the Prussian style system that we have. It's focused on the needs of the country as a whole while ignoring the needs of the students. Is it any wonder that Sylvan Learning Centers are outperforming public indoctrination? Back when I was in school the push was for scientists based upon the perceived need for them in the late 50's and 60's. I was in high school in the mid to late 80's. The government, and by extension businesses, cannot meet the educational needs of kids.
    Private schools do better because they can choose the students, and they do. Public schools can't exclude the ones they don't want...
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It is good that some can do home schooling, but the majority are not capable of doing that, or have the time...
    The majority are unable to do it because of two factors. The first is that the parents have received a substandard education by the public indoctrination system. The second is that the government has made it to where both parents have to work due to the sheer amount of taxes people have to pay.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Private schools do better because they can choose the students, and they do. Public schools can't exclude the ones they don't want...
    Private schools cannot pick and choose students. They have to accept everyone if their parents can pay for it. It's against the law in every state to allow private schools to pick and choose. As far as excluding students, public schools do it all the time. It's called expulsion.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Do you know how many textbooks $20,000 would buy? That money would nearly pay for a teacher's aid. What a waste of money that would be.
    So on the one hand, for $20,000 you could ALMOST hire one teacher's aide for a single class, who might or might not be effective, and who might or might not have any measurable impact on the students' achievement. But we'll never know, since we refuse to measure it and smugly ridicule any attempt to do so...

    On the other hand, we could spend the same amount of money (or probably a lot less) to analyze the data of every single student in the entire school, every single teacher in the entire school, cross-reference all the statistics based on the particular demographics and abilities of each class, compute what kind of results an average teacher would achieve, and determine exactly how effective all the teachers were for their specific classes. And we could then use this data to improve the overall quality of teachers and benefit ALL of the students in the school.

    Yet *my* idea wastes money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla
    Teachers do data analysis now on test scores. They usually do this after school, beyond their contracted day. They do it not evaluate what they should be paid but how to better help their students.
    And neither they nor the administrators will ever know if they're actually doing that, since the school refused to shell out the pittance necessary to measure it.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Private schools cannot pick and choose students. They have to accept everyone if their parents can pay for it. It's against the law in every state to allow private schools to pick and choose. As far as excluding students, public schools do it all the time. It's called expulsion.
    Private schools can turn away students, even if their parents have the money. It is way many now have those stupid tests that kids have to take.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Private schools can turn away students, even if their parents have the money. It is way many now have those stupid tests that kids have to take.
    Not in my state can a private school do that. If a private school does turn away a student it must be for a valid reason like not enough classroom space or poor student behavior etc...

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Not in my state can a private school do that. If a private school does turn away a student it must be for a valid reason like not enough classroom space or poor student etc...
    Well I went to private schools in four different states and in each one I had to take a test. If I didn't do well I wasn't allowed in.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Well I went to private schools in four different states and in each one I had to take a test. If I didn't do well I wasn't allowed in.
    That's part of being allowed into the school and to see how close you are to the school's academic level. Tests were instituted because of the failure of public schools to teach. However, I do know that Catholic and many church schools will not turn away a student.

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