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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    From the school? Analyzing raw data from a couple thousand students, and a hundred or so teachers, isn't time-consuming or expensive.



    That gives me a marvelous idea for a new business venture.
    Schools have no extra money. Should the money come from textbooks, maybe busing, oh wait I know - teacher salaries.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    When this was true reading, writing, and arithmitic were all a child needed. Most parents do not have the knowledge necessary to prepare their child for college. Additionally, much more is known about how to teach. Teachers are trained in how to teach kids according to how they learn best. Would you like to go back to the medical practices of the time you describe? Me either.
    Do most children need algebra or any advanced mathematics? Do most children need to learn specialized knowledge from any of the sciences? I can tell you from my experience in my long life that I don't use algebra, any of the sciences, etc... The only thing I use that I learned in school was basic math, writing, and reading. I had to reteach myself American history since schools do not teach the truth about it.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    A degree is not solely an indication of knowledge. I would agree. However, it can be a good indication of a person's training in how to do a job. I also know that what you describe is the exception, not the rule. I haven't been clear. Good teachers get training well beyond any degrees. Even teachers with a doctorate still attend workshops, conferences, and seminars to try to improve. This behavior should be rewarded.
    None of the classes I took for my teaching degree prepared me for doing actual teaching. When my mom went for her teaching degree it was just knowledge subjects. The only time she received training for being in the classroom was during her practicum where she was actually teaching under an existing teacher.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    If you haven't seen any, then you haven't looked.
    I've actually looked quite a bit for what improves student results, but I haven't seen any evidence suggesting that more training has an effect. Perhaps you can link me to the study to which you are referring.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Do most children need algebra or any advanced mathematics? Do most children need to learn specialized knowledge from any of the sciences? I can tell you from my experience in my long life that I don't use algebra, any of the sciences, etc... The only thing I use that I learned in school was basic math, writing, and reading. I had to reteach myself American history since schools do not teach the truth about it.
    Oh, I agree about history....it is so watered down as to be almost useless....
    but math? I can say it is over done for many careers. But, it needs to be available for those going on to college to become engineers, scientists, technicians. Math is taught to all because very few kids know by age 14 or so what they want to do with their lives. They might skip math, and later change their minds, and will need remedial training before a college will take them...
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Schools have no extra money. Should the money come from textbooks, maybe busing, oh wait I know - teacher salaries.
    It doesn't really matter where the money comes from. We're talking maybe $20,000 at most for a LARGE school. That isn't going to break the bank. Asking where a school could come up with the pittance that useful data analysis would cost - especially when the schools have no problem employing incompetent teachers, and you're talking about training them all in the latest teaching methods - is a red herring. The cost is tiny.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Do most children need algebra or any advanced mathematics? Do most children need to learn specialized knowledge from any of the sciences? I can tell you from my experience in my long life that I don't use algebra, any of the sciences, etc... The only thing I use that I learned in school was basic math, writing, and reading. I had to reteach myself American history since schools do not teach the truth about it.
    Students need a well rounded education. Will this include some things they might not use in adult life? Yes, it will. Students need to learn how to learn and how to continue learning throughout life. There is so much a good, well-trained teacher can offer a student but teachers are notthe same as parents. It is a completely different role.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Oh, I agree about history....it is so watered down as to be almost useless....
    but math? I can say it is over done for many careers. But, it needs to be available for those going on to college to become engineers, scientists, technicians. Math is taught to all because very few kids know by age 14 or so what they want to do with their lives. They might skip math, and later change their minds, and will need remedial training before a college will take them...
    That's the problem with the Prussian style system that we have. It's focused on the needs of the country as a whole while ignoring the needs of the students. Is it any wonder that Sylvan Learning Centers are outperforming public indoctrination? Back when I was in school the push was for scientists based upon the perceived need for them in the late 50's and 60's. I was in high school in the mid to late 80's. The government, and by extension businesses, cannot meet the educational needs of kids.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It doesn't really matter where the money comes from. We're talking maybe $20,000 at most for a LARGE school. That isn't going to break the bank.
    Do you know how many textbooks $20,000 would buy? That money would nearly pay for a teacher's aid. What a waste of money that would be. Teachers do data analysis now on test scores. They usually do this after school, beyond their contracted day. They do it not evaluate what they should be paid but how to better help their students.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Students need a well rounded education. Will this include some things they might not use in adult life? Yes, it will. Students need to learn how to learn and how to continue learning throughout life. There is so much a good, well-trained teacher can offer a student but teachers are notthe same as parents. It is a completely different role.
    Kids are born with an innate ability to learn so no you do not have to teach that. Schooling numbs and kills the creative minds of the kids so they will follow orders and obey whoever is in charge. I remember that well from my 13 years in public indoctrination. Our schools perform worse out of the industrial world because it's not designed to teach, but to get kids to be good little robots and follow orders. This is why you see on the news all the time about students being arrested for jumping in puddles and not minding a teacher. Also, the student must be interested in learning those subjects and naturally will have a well rounded education as evidenced by the way charter and certain private schools are run. The student decides what classes they want to take because it interests them.
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