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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    They need not do it themselves. IBM and Oracle both offer data analytic services that are cheap, for no more data than an individual school would have.
    Where would the money come for that? Who would run it?
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    I did not say that and I never would. It's a shame that you can't engage in a discussion without that kind of garbage!

    I'm sure there are many people who would make excellent teachers without multiple degrees. I also know that those people could be even better with training. Teaching is more than being great with kids. It is knowledge of a subject, knowledge of how to teach, classroom management, brain theory, learning styles, and so many more topics. Teaching a small group of motivated kids is completely different from teaching 30 apathetic kids. When I say education I don't just mean sitting in a classroom earning degrees. I mean training in the most current teaching techniques.
    I've studied American History for 27 years now using primary source documentation. I do not have a degree, but when I was in college my knowledge of American History surpassed that of my professor who had a phd in the subject. A degree is not an indication of knowledge, but that you have sat x amount of time in a seat taking x, y, and z courses that are required for that particular degree.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    I did not say that and I never would. It's a shame that you can't engage in a discussion without that kind of garbage!

    I'm sure there are many people who would make excellent teachers without multiple degrees. I also know that those people could be even better with training. Teaching is more than being great with kids. It is knowledge of a subject, knowledge of how to teach, classroom management, brain theory, learning styles, and so many more topics. Teaching a small group of motivated kids is completely different from teaching 30 apathetic kids. When I say education I don't just mean sitting in a classroom earning degrees. I mean training in the most current teaching techniques.
    That's all well and good...if there's any evidence that training in the most current teaching techniques actually improves student performance. Maybe there is evidence for that conclusion, but I've never seen any.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    IBM and Oracle will not do it for free, so taxes will go up...
    Which would be fine if it improved student performance. But the services are not particularly expensive.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Where would the money come for that?
    From the school? Analyzing raw data from a couple thousand students, and a hundred or so teachers, isn't time-consuming or expensive.

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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    Historical documentation doesn't support you. Here is this tidbit from the article Education in Colonial America.

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    Google history of literacy rates, and you will find all kinds of conflict with your highlighted quote about literacy rates...
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I've studied American History for 27 years now using primary source documentation. I do not have a degree, but when I was in college my knowledge of American History surpassed that of my professor who had a phd in the subject. A degree is not an indication of knowledge, but that you have sat x amount of time in a seat taking x, y, and z courses that are required for that particular degree.
    A degree is not solely an indication of knowledge. I would agree. However, it can be a good indication of a person's training in how to do a job. I also know that what you describe is the exception, not the rule. I haven't been clear. Good teachers get training well beyond any degrees. Even teachers with a doctorate still attend workshops, conferences, and seminars to try to improve. This behavior should be rewarded.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    From the school? Analyzing raw data from a couple thousand students, and a hundred or so teachers, isn't time-consuming or expensive.



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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That's all well and good...if there's any evidence that training in the most current teaching techniques actually improves student performance. Maybe there is evidence for that conclusion, but I've never seen any.
    If you haven't seen any, then you haven't looked.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    A degree is not solely an indication of knowledge. I would agree. However, it can be a good indication of a person's training in how to do a job. I also know that what you describe is the exception, not the rule. I haven't been clear. Good teachers get training well beyond any degrees. Even teachers with a doctorate still attend workshops, conferences, and seminars to try to improve. This behavior should be rewarded.
    There are a few well educated people without degrees, I am sure, but I won't risk MY children's education taking a chance with someone who is too lazy to go to college....
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