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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You know damn well that if they cannot care enough to prepare for and support their kids in school, they sure as HELL couldn't be bothered to homeschool em'.

    Edit: And, really, that was my point - teachers are not (usually) well trained in working against bad-behaving students - thus the separate school or something, with teachers trained to handle such.
    Yes, I do know .... I have seen close up, too close, right next door, a family where both parents should have been sterilized at age 12, but instead they found each other and had half a dozen babies that they feed, clothe, and otherwise ignore.
    Then when the kids start school and can't behave, somehow it is teacher's problem.
    After such parents have had 5 or 6 years to ruin a child, it takes a lot of teachers, shrinks, counselors, and a lot of years to fix the problem. Why should the taxpayer foot that bill? I will answer my own question, because if we don't, we will likely have to deal with the child later on as an adult on welfare, or in prison. I feel sorry for the kids in question. They would be better off in orphanages than to stay with such parents.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Teachers in Illinois are FAR overpaid. WAAAAAY overpaid. NO pension! And they should be paid per MONTH. To me their yearly pay based on 9 months of service should be no more than $40K. PLUS they should pay for their health insurance like the rest of America. 20% of their pay should go to health insurance. These people dont do it because they LOVE it (for the most part). They do it because of the AWESOME pay, pension, benefits and 3 months off. And its a fairly EASY JOB!!!!!!
    Wow, what teacher picked on you in school?

    Since when does all of America pay their own insurance? Don't most professionals have at least partially paid insurance? Also, not all teachers have paid insurance.
    Most teachers I know do teach because the want to. The pay is not awesome compared to others with similar education. Three months off is a myth. Much of that time is spent taking classes, attending workshops, and preparing for the next year. For many teachers the time "off" helps balance the crazy hours they work during the school year.

    Finally, only someone who hasn't taught would say teaching is easy. People are so quick to advocate for merit pay and in some ways it does sound good on paper. If you were a factory worker you could be paid according to the quantity and quality of your work. However, imagine that same factory worker who has no control over the quality of the base materials. Maybe once in awhile someone comes in tears up what he's done during the day. Maybe the boss keeps adding duties that have nothing to do with making the product. Don't forget that sometimes the product just refuses to be put together and the supplier of the product encourages this.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Wow, what teacher picked on you in school?

    Since when does all of America pay their own insurance? Don't most professionals have at least partially paid insurance? Also, not all teachers have paid insurance.
    Most teachers I know do teach because the want to. The pay is not awesome compared to others with similar education. Three months off is a myth. Much of that time is spent taking classes, attending workshops, and preparing for the next year. For many teachers the time "off" helps balance the crazy hours they work during the school year.

    Finally, only someone who hasn't taught would say teaching is easy. People are so quick to advocate for merit pay and in some ways it does sound good on paper. If you were a factory worker you could be paid according to the quantity and quality of your work. However, imagine that same factory worker who has no control over the quality of the base materials. Maybe once in awhile someone comes in tears up what he's done during the day. Maybe the boss keeps adding duties that have nothing to do with making the product. Don't forget that sometimes the product just refuses to be put together and the supplier of the product encourages this.
    Teachers have ridiculously awesome retirement programs.
    It's a bit much if you ask me.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The average teacher has at least 25 students (even more in the upper grade levels). The circumstances of individual students even out in the aggregate, and would not affect the teacher's overall performance. Besides, the risk of something like that happening to lower a teacher's performance review occasionally is simply not as important as making sure that children have decent educations.
    Sadly, one child can change the dynamic of a classroom. Even with a great teacher more time is spent on troubled children and less on everyone else. Additionally, classes vary a great deal from year to year. One of the problems with standarized tests is that it compares this year's 5th grade to last year's 5th grade. A super bright group can go through the school and make everyone else look bad by comparison. There is nothing the teacher can do about this.

    The variables are just too great to evaluate teachers solely on test scores.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Why should teachers not have good retirement programs. We pay into them.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Teachers have ridiculously awesome retirement programs.
    It's a bit much if you ask me.
    If it is so awesome, people should be flocking to the profession, especially now.
    My son has been teaching 10 years or so, and has to DJ and coach to make enough money to live in the area where he teaches.
    IMO, the starting pay is too low, and could be bumped up by lowering the step raises given each year. They earn the same amount over the years, but it is less "end loaded". Pay charts I have seen range from $35K to $85K, based on years and education.
    Perhaps a starting pay of $50K and an ending pay of $75K would help attract better teachers.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Why should teachers not have good retirement programs. We pay into them.
    The retirement income generated does not equal the contributions put forward.

    Using rough numbers, getting $25k a year in dividends, in a totally self funded account, requires somewhere in the area of $1 million and teachers typically draw much higher retirement incomes, than that.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Why should teachers not have good retirement programs. We pay into them.
    My wife paid into her retirement account out of her pay. Our son does the same. Not all schools are the same.
    The district paid HER medical insurance, but not for me or the kids. Good thing I had a job that did...if she put us on the districts medical plan, it would have been very expensive. Who here is willing to pay for HMO insurance at the rate of $10,000 per year?
    Our son gets his family coverage from an outside company for about half what the district would charge.
    As for the 9 month thing, typically teachers show up at least a week ahead of the students at the start of the year. Then there are the continuing education requirements, often done during summer.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Finally, only someone who hasn't taught would say teaching is easy. People are so quick to advocate for merit pay and in some ways it does sound good on paper. If you were a factory worker you could be paid according to the quantity and quality of your work. However, imagine that same factory worker who has no control over the quality of the base materials. Maybe once in awhile someone comes in tears up what he's done during the day. Maybe the boss keeps adding duties that have nothing to do with making the product. Don't forget that sometimes the product just refuses to be put together and the supplier of the product encourages this.
    Those variables can all be controlled for, when evaluating the teachers based on their results.
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    Re: Should teachers be paid purely based on years of experience?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Why should teachers not have good retirement programs. We pay into them.
    I can't speak for your state, but in Illinois, teachers have a defined BENEFIT plan. Public employees are just about the ONLY employees that get defined benefit pension plans. All the rest of us get 401K's or the like. In Illinois, teachers' retirement benefits are far enough ahead of the curve as to be bankrupting their own system and bankrupting Illinois. It is not unusual at all for a teacher (a TEACHER, not an administrator) in Illinois to retire with $75,000 or more in annual pension benefits.
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