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Doesn't a middle class tax cut also benefit the the Rich?

Doesn't a middle class tax cut also benefit the rich?

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obvious Child said:
Not all of them.
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Most of them view government as illegitimate authority. Libertarians are hard core against taxation and government intervention and want to delimit it in any way it can be. The sad thing is most don't understand what libertarianism is actually about... political flavour of the day if you like. The vehement over reaction to anything that has a collective characteristic is mind bogling. Libertarianism is a kin to anarchy in many ways.
 
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TurtleDude said:
Here is why I want a consumption tax

1) those who have illegal incomes don't pay much federa tax. It would capture billions of dollars made off of the drug trade

2) it would get rid of much of the IRS. I just got done signing a bunch of tax forms earlier tonight after an extension. Americans pay billions of dollars in terms of time and money to figure out their taxes. Having run a small business its not much more work to collect federal taxes on top of state taxes

3) it would prevent the already too powerful congress from having the power to buy votes by telling one group that they can get what they want while others pay for it.

4) the IRS is a huge source of power for the government-get rid of income taxes and you get rid of lots of power. Indeed, during debates on the income tax about a century or so ago, an Indiana Senator proposed a sales tax and an income tax proponent noted a sales tax didn't give the government near as much power

I know jacking up taxes on a small percentage of the tax payers means the government will keep spending because most of the voters won't see any reason to stop spending

seems to me if you really want less government you have to support a system that will encourage the majority of people to want less government and the only way to do that with the nanny state addicts is to make them suffer financially for more government
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Thank you for the responding and giving a well thought out explanation.

I agree and disagree. Almost anything that makes a smaller government is a good thing. Its the issue of HOW do we pay for what needs to be paid.

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#1) I agree that there are to many groups not paying what they should. This includes businesses that get money from the government when they don't need it. Exxon, Monsanto (EVIL), and the whole bank bail out. While a consumption tax may help avoid this you create a black market issue. You may have some consumer protection issues too.

#2) I would love to downsize the IRS. Question: Don't they just shift from looking at personal income to monitoring businesses.

#3) Agreed. We also need to do massive finance reform.

#4) Agreed.

There is an issue though. You hurt the sale of goods and services by doing this. Our economy needs to spend to keep rolling. We have few manufacturing jobs left.

Its also a regressive tax. That first tax bracket for everyone would at least double. It hurts those who can barely pay the bills they have today. You cant get blood from a rock. If you want cut spending I am 100% behind you. Its just how do you fairly divide the bills. I'm not sure the group that has 20% of the population and 3% of the income can survive a 20% consumption tax.

Again, thank you for answering.
 
Gabriel said:
Most of them view government as illegitimate authority. Libertarians are hard core against taxation and government intervention and want to delimit it in any way it can be. The sad thing is most don't understand what libertarianism is actually about... political flavour of the day if you like. The vehement over reaction to anything that has a collective characteristic is mind bogling. Libertarianism is a kin to anarchy in many ways.
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you have a rather strange view of libertarians which was demonstrated rather convincingly in another thread several weeks ago. Saying Libertarians are akin to anarchists is not much different than saying liberal democrats are basically the same as Pol Pot or Chairman Mao
 
ender1 said:
Thank you for the responding and giving a well thought out explanation.

I agree and disagree. Almost anything that makes a smaller government is a good thing. Its the issue of HOW do we pay for what needs to be paid.

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#1) I agree that there are to many groups not paying what they should. This includes businesses that get money from the government when they don't need it. Exxon, Monsanto (EVIL), and the whole bank bail out. While a consumption tax may help avoid this you create a black market issue. You may have some consumer protection issues too.

#2) I would love to downsize the IRS. Question: Don't they just shift from looking at personal income to monitoring businesses.

#3) Agreed. We also need to do massive finance reform.

#4) Agreed.

There is an issue though. You hurt the sale of goods and services by doing this. Our economy needs to spend to keep rolling. We have few manufacturing jobs left.

Its also a regressive tax. That first tax bracket for everyone would at least double. It hurts those who can barely pay the bills they have today. You cant get blood from a rock. If you want cut spending I am 100% behind you. Its just how do you fairly divide the bills. I'm not sure the group that has 20% of the population and 3% of the income can survive a 20% consumption tax.

Again, thank you for answering.
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If I had no income taxes to pay that means I would have at least 30% more income and once you factor out the income tax costs inherent in goods that sales tax probably would mean that the cost of the good would be about the same.

The main reason for supporting it is to castrate congressional power and to enhance freedom which it clearly would
 
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