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Should we move away from abstinence only sex education?

Should we move away from abstinence only sex education?

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Your Star said:
So you don't want our educational system to teach our kids?
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I want the educational system to teach our kids knowledge. morals and ethics should be taught by the parents. I have no problem with sex ed being taught as part of a biology class. and FWIW, I think abstinence only is one of the dumbest ideas to come along in quite some time.
 
OscarB63 said:
you know your arguement is crap when you are forced to resort to ad hominems.
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I'm not even sure what your argument is.

Destroy public education so people can be "responsible?" You got exactly the response your post warranted.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
Maybe if we raised those sky high taxes, we could afford good schools.
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Yes, because as the evidence has shown, there's a strong correlation between education spending/student and education quality.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
Maybe if we raised those sky high taxes, we could afford good schools.
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we have good schools, we need more good students. It's a vicious circle. dumbass kids grow up to be dumbass parents who have little dumbass kids of their own. The problems with the US public education system can't be solved by throwing more money at them. A fundamental change needs to occur to force parents to be responsible for their children's education.
 
RightinNYC said:
Yes, because as the evidence has shown, there's a strong correlation between education spending/student and education quality.
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When our schools aren't horribly underfunded and stuck with mediocre, unqualified teachers, then we can have another evaluation. Rich schools get good grades.
 
OscarB63 said:
I want the educational system to teach our kids knowledge. morals and ethics should be taught by the parents. I have no problem with sex ed being taught as part of a biology class. and FWIW, I think abstinence only is one of the dumbest ideas to come along in quite some time.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with moral's or ethics. This is about educating our kids, and giving them all the knowledge available so they can make the best choice for themselves.
 
Your Star said:
Simple question, yes or no, and explain your answer.

Personally I think we should, it doesn't provide our kids with a proper sex education, and doesn't prepare them for the real world. I also think that sex education should include information on LGBT issues, and I think that our schools should offer condoms to our students with no questions asked.
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someone in this thread said abstinence + education...i'm with that, because you can't deny, when properly practiced, abstinence works. ;-)
 
Patria Antiqua said:
I'm not even sure what your argument is.
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that was obvious from your reply. maybe if you asked for clarification instead of immediately jumping to insult we might get somewhere.
 
OscarB63 said:
we have good schools, we need more good students. It's a vicious circle. dumbass kids grow up to be dumbass parents who have little dumbass kids of their own. The problems with the US public education system can't be solved by throwing more money at them. A fundamental change needs to occur to force parents to be responsible for their children's education.
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I'm not saying that there aren't serious problems unrelated to money, but money is a big ****ing problem.

I grew up with parents who worked their asses off to send me to Catholic school. That's a horror in itself, but it's nothing compared to the atrocious schools my neighborhood pals went to. Books missing wars, teachers only a chapter ahead of the students, rickety desks and decrepit infrastructure. It's appalling. I've witnessed first-hand the self-destructiveness of the proletariat, but that doesn't mean these schools don't need a massive green injection.
 
liblady said:
someone in this thread said abstinence + education...i'm with that, because you can't deny, when properly practiced, abstinence works. ;-)
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I agree with that, though you don't really have to teach abstinence. Just give the definition, and and your basically done with teaching abstinence.
 
RightinNYC said:
You responded to my post on a forum called debatepolitics, so I assumed you were interested in debating the issue. My apologies.
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Oh, I am, but I'm not interested in taking backward ideas about how our government should function for granted.

I assume that this thread was a place where our opinions could be broadcasted, and I gave you mine. I don't care if you don't think that's how our government works.

Constitution aside, we all know that the Fed can stick its hand in any cookie jar it wants. I'm all for a little unconstitutional nudge in the direction of sanity.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
When our schools aren't horribly underfunded and stuck with mediocre, unqualified teachers, then we can have another evaluation. Rich schools get good grades.
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perhaps you are confusing private schools with public education? I don't know how the great state of maryland runs their public schools but down here in backwards assed alabammy, all the public schools get the same funding (based on average daily attendance) and all the teachers must meet the same qualification standards and yet the schools in the "poorer" areas still under-perform. maybe the fault lies not with the schools but with the parents. maybe if the poor parents put the same emphasis on education with their kids as the "rich" parents did, they might do better.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
I'm not saying that there aren't serious problems unrelated to money, but money is a big ****ing problem.

I grew up with parents who worked their asses off to send me to Catholic school. That's a horror in itself, but it's nothing compared to the atrocious schools my neighborhood pals went to. Books missing wars, teachers only a chapter ahead of the students, rickety desks and decrepit infrastructure. It's appalling. I've witnessed first-hand the self-destructiveness of the proletariat, but that doesn't mean these schools don't need a massive green injection.
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I taught in an inner city public school for 9 years and by far the biggest problem I ever saw was the apathy from the students and parents towards learning. no amount of $$$ spent on the school will fix that.
 
OscarB63 said:
perhaps you are confusing private schools with public education? I don't know how the great state of maryland runs their public schools but down here in backwards assed alabammy, all the public schools get the same funding (based on average daily attendance) and all the teachers must meet the same qualification standards and yet the schools in the "poorer" areas still under-perform. maybe the fault lies not with the schools but with the parents. maybe if the poor parents put the same emphasis on education with their kids as the "rich" parents did, they might do better.
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I'm actually not sure exactly how education funds are supposed to be allocated, but you wouldn't expect the answer to be "the same funding across the board" if you looked at our schools. I went to public high school in a reasonably well-off area. The disparity between the state of public schools where I used to live and where I lived/went to high school is unimaginable.

I don't know if you've ever seen The Wire, but that's exactly what urban areas are like here.
 
Abstinence only sex education works until it doesn't work. Kids with raging hormones need all the information they can get.
 
OscarB63 said:
I taught in an inner city public school for 9 years and by far the biggest problem I ever saw was the apathy from the students and parents towards learning. no amount of $$$ spent on the school will fix that.
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That might be true, but all the motivation in the world won't give students the education they need if your textbooks are twenty years old, or your teacher doesn't know a damn thing about the subject he teaches.
 
Tell them it is ok to have sex? So we want a bunch of perverts and whores as our kids now? This shows how this society no longer cares about morals, all that matters is pleasure and your own gratification
 
Patria Antiqua said:
When our schools aren't horribly underfunded and stuck with mediocre, unqualified teachers, then we can have another evaluation. Rich schools get good grades.
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Oh, well if you say that's the reason for the gap, and if you say that pouring more money in would fix it, then that must be the case.

Patria Antiqua said:
Oh, I am, but I'm not interested in taking backward ideas about how our government should function for granted.

I assume that this thread was a place where our opinions could be broadcasted, and I gave you mine. I don't care if you don't think that's how our government works.
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It's not what I think, it's how the government does work, your fantasies notwithstanding.

Constitution aside, we all know that the Fed can stick its hand in any cookie jar it wants. I'm all for a little unconstitutional nudge in the direction of sanity.
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So long as you're the one who gets to decide what constitutes sanity, of course.
 
RightinNYC said:
Oh, well if you say that's the reason for the gap, and if you say that pouring more money in would fix it, then that must be the case.



It's not what I think, it's how the government does work, your fantasies notwithstanding.



So long as you're the one who gets to decide what constitutes sanity, of course.
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Yes, I get a lot of grief for my political opinions. You're not going to sway me by confronting me with the practicalities that prevent proper governance and reform.
 
Your Star said:
I agree with that, though you don't really have to teach abstinence. Just give the definition, and and your basically done with teaching abstinence.
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i don't think so...i think it's important that kids know there are MANY reason to defer having sex, not the least of which is avoiding pregnancy.
 
ptif219 said:
Tell them it is ok to have sex? So we want a bunch of perverts and whores as our kids now? This shows how this society no longer cares about morals, all that matters is pleasure and your own gratification
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And what about giving them proper knowledge about sex bad?
 
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