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    Re: Did God Create Perfection?

    God created perfection, we failed to maintain it.

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    Re: Did God Create Perfection?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    It is said only a perfect being could create perfection. In what YOU see in people, in life on Earth, in Earth, in the Solar System... the Universe. Did God create perfection?
    It's not something easily judged, since you have nothing to compare it to. For all we know, mistakes are part of perfection for us.
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    Re: Did God Create Perfection?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    It is said only a perfect being could create perfection. In what YOU see in people, in life on Earth, in Earth, in the Solar System... the Universe. Did God create perfection?
    This is perfect, in it's way:

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    Re: Did God Create Perfection?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    It is said only a perfect being could create perfection.
    Then what created God?
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    Re: Did God Create Perfection?

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Clearly if a God created the universe he isn't a perfect being or thing, and I wouldn't expect him/her or it to be. All the failed solar systems, collapsing stars, black holes and that's just one a universal level. Look on a Earth level and we have Weather phenomona, Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Diseases such as cancer and AIDS, mental disorders millons starving to death every year.

    I really find it absolutely ridiculous to think a loving and caring God exists.
    Why is a collapsing star not perfect? How is any of that not perfect in its balance with everything else?
    I seriously don't see any logic in your post... from a debate standpoint, no offense intended.
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    Re: Did God Create Perfection?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    An entirely "green" turtle could be refelcting other wavelengths of light besides just green, though. Just because there are other wavelengths rpesent doens't mean that you won't subjectively be seeing the turtle as green.

    But if I view the turtle, as a color-blind person, I might see it as entirely orange.

    The point being that teh persoective of the viewer can alter the reality. If you refuse to place your perspective to a higher level than that of the indivdiual part of the whole, you won't understand why your arguments are based on fallacy.

    The seeming imperfection of the part (when viewed individually) can actually be perfection in relation to the whole.
    You are just redefining perfect as you see fit. As I pointed out in my first post, unless we stick to "without flaws" there is no discussion. My perspective does not matter. Nor does the end result. Your argument explicitly requires a perfect being to have an imperfect thought. Even if that thought leads to perfection down the road, the thought in itself is imperfect thereby rendering your definition of perfect as "without flaws but with flaws." That does not make logical sense. You are pretending that the greater whole wipes away the individual traits of the parts as if they did not exist at any time. Hence why your blue car with a black part is entirely blue. It does not logically make sense.
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    Re: Did God Create Perfection?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You are just redefining perfect as you see fit. As I pointed out in my first post, unless we stick to "without flaws" there is no discussion. My perspective does not matter. Nor does the end result. Your argument explicitly requires a perfect being to have an imperfect thought. Even if that thought leads to perfection down the road, the thought in itself is imperfect thereby rendering your definition of perfect as "without flaws but with flaws." That does not make logical sense. You are pretending that the greater whole wipes away the individual traits of the parts as if they did not exist at any time. Hence why your blue car with a black part is entirely blue. It does not logically make sense.
    You seem to be having difficulty understanding that what may seem like a flaw from a small picture perspective may indeed be perfection form teh big picture perspective.

    You, and all other humans, can only see things from the smallest of small picture perspectives. What we perceive of as a flaw doesn't need to be one. We aren't the people who make that determination.

    That's why what we may call an imperfection (cancer, etc) may indeed be perfection.
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    Re: Did God Create Perfection?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You are just redefining perfect as you see fit. As I pointed out in my first post, unless we stick to "without flaws" there is no discussion. My perspective does not matter. Nor does the end result. Your argument explicitly requires a perfect being to have an imperfect thought. Even if that thought leads to perfection down the road, the thought in itself is imperfect thereby rendering your definition of perfect as "without flaws but with flaws." That does not make logical sense. You are pretending that the greater whole wipes away the individual traits of the parts as if they did not exist at any time. Hence why your blue car with a black part is entirely blue. It does not logically make sense.
    Odd that this comes from a moral relativist point of view.

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    Re: Did God Create Perfection?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Odd that this comes from a moral relativist point of view.
    I don't know about Obvious Child, but I'm a moral relativist atheist and I'm arguing the opposite position typically taken up by moral absolutist theists. Go figure. Perhaps it means moral relativism and moral absolutism has nothing to do with the topic.
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    Re: Did God Create Perfection?

    god IS a greater invisible cosmic rule that has a hand in all our lives.

    and every object which has been created within this universe is undeniably a part of a grander scale. Each object within itself carries imperfections, but perhaps that is what makes it so perfect after all?

    everything happens for a reason, and somehow everything tends to work out perfect- things such as evolution and the laws of nature.
    While every creation may not be perfect in the modern thought sense of the word, everything about earth and the universe works perfect. (That is w/ the exception of humanity)

    And since it is undeniably true that a greater power than our own has set "reality" into motion, it is safe to say that god is indeed a perfect being, as is all that he creates.
    &while we humans suffer from major imperfections, that is the in fact what makes us perfect.

    We each have our own lives to lead, all intertwining with one another, and with each character perfectly selected for their own role in this story called life.

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