View Poll Results: What is your stand on abortion?

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  • ProChoice

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  • ProChoice With Limits

    19 32.76%
  • ProLife No Exceptions

    4 6.90%
  • ProLife Excepting Rape/Incest

    8 13.79%
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Thread: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

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    Re: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

    I am pro-life, the only absolute exception I make is the mother's life being in danger. I haven't actually figured out where I stand on rape. The fetus is still a life to me, but I can see the arguments about her mental health, in this case only. I would prefer additional counseling (also available for husband/boyfriend/significant other, if not they're not the rapist), automatic stripping of parental rights from the rapist, universal access to the morning after pill, and work to make adoption easier, for everyone. If the incest isn't considered rape, then it is still consentual sex.

    I don't think laws will ever reach my ideal. I doubt they will even reach to the point of exceptions of rape and incest. But this is what I would like to see.
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    Re: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I am pro-life, the only absolute exception I make is the mother's life being in danger. I haven't actually figured out where I stand on rape. The fetus is still a life to me, but I can see the arguments about her mental health, in this case only. I would prefer additional counseling (also available for husband/boyfriend/significant other, if not they're not the rapist), automatic stripping of parental rights from the rapist, universal access to the morning after pill, and work to make adoption easier, for everyone. If the incest isn't considered rape, then it is still consentual sex.

    I don't think laws will ever reach my ideal. I doubt they will even reach to the point of exceptions of rape and incest. But this is what I would like to see.
    I just picked up your post for convenience -- as several others have said either ProLife No Exceptions -- so forgive me but. But let me ask those who do feel that way, "Do you believe in birth contol?" IUD's and the pill (most of them) work by aborting a fertilized egg. How does a ProLife No Exceptions believer rationalize that then? No offense. I am just very curious.
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    Re: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    That's exactly the point. I want that, that's a good idea, IMO.
    Why is this a good idea? Why is a confusing network of 50 different sets of rules and regulations, all of which can change theoretically every election cycle, a good thing?
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    Re: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I just picked up your post for convenience -- as several others have said either ProLife No Exceptions -- so forgive me but. But let me ask those who do feel that way, "Do you believe in birth contol?" IUD's and the pill (most of them) work by aborting a fertilized egg. How does a ProLife No Exceptions believer rationalize that then? No offense. I am just very curious.
    Actually, I am all for those things. And I don't take offense, I've heard it before. I was going to mention it in my post anyway. However, I have to mention, I wasn't a "ProLife, No Exceptions" person in the poll technically. I chose "other".

    I have no issue with birth control, IUDs, MAPs, or anything like this, because there is no actual conscience choice to kill the baby growing inside of them. These all prevent implantation. And there is no way for anyone actually taking these to know whether they are killing anything, even if they use these regularly. I don't believe life starts at conception, but rather implantation. The fetus doesn't actually start to develop until it is implanted.

    To me, the reality is abortion is a conscience choice to kill a known inconvenience. The vast majority of women will not even find out they're pregnant until almost a month into the pregnancy, if not farther along. By this time, the baby is developed enough to be considered "alive", to me. And it is developing more and more each day.

    I know that, to some, this is saying "punish the woman for getting pregnant", but honestly, I don't think it is right to take the life of a growing, developing child. I know that at two months, at least, you can hear the heartbeat of the baby. I believe abortion is wrong, and should be considered murder. Also, I don't consider pregnancy a punishment. We are women. We have children. Almost every woman knows, hopefully, from the time they are preteens or younger, that, once they hit puberty, if they have sex, they can get pregnant. It isn't punishment, to me, it is biology. I even realize that rape victims didn't have a choice to say no, but killing the baby for the sins of its father is still wrong. At the very least, the baby could be put up for adoption.

    I am all for getting all women easier access to birth control, condoms, IUDs, MAPs, and safe tubal ligations, all affordable. Anything that could help lower the number of unwanted pregnancies would be good, so that the abortion issue becomes a moot issue altogether anyway.
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    Re: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

    I don't like the term pro-choice, however I support Roe v. Wade.

    • First trimester - abortion on demand.
    • Second trimester - abortion laws are up to the individual state.
    • Third trimester - no abortion unless there are extraordinary circumstances(life of the woman, condition of the fetus).


    I support woman's reproductive rights.


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    Re: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, I am all for those things. And I don't take offense, I've heard it before. I was going to mention it in my post anyway. However, I have to mention, I wasn't a "ProLife, No Exceptions" person in the poll technically. I chose "other".

    I have no issue with birth control, IUDs, MAPs, or anything like this, because there is no actual conscience choice to kill the baby growing inside of them. These all prevent implantation. And there is no way for anyone actually taking these to know whether they are killing anything, even if they use these regularly. I don't believe life starts at conception, but rather implantation. The fetus doesn't actually start to develop until it is implanted.

    To me, the reality is abortion is a conscience choice to kill a known inconvenience. The vast majority of women will not even find out they're pregnant until almost a month into the pregnancy, if not farther along. By this time, the baby is developed enough to be considered "alive", to me. And it is developing more and more each day.

    I know that, to some, this is saying "punish the woman for getting pregnant", but honestly, I don't think it is right to take the life of a growing, developing child. I know that at two months, at least, you can hear the heartbeat of the baby. I believe abortion is wrong, and should be considered murder. Also, I don't consider pregnancy a punishment. We are women. We have children. Almost every woman knows, hopefully, from the time they are preteens or younger, that, once they hit puberty, if they have sex, they can get pregnant. It isn't punishment, to me, it is biology. I even realize that rape victims didn't have a choice to say no, but killing the baby for the sins of its father is still wrong. At the very least, the baby could be put up for adoption.

    I am all for getting all women easier access to birth control, condoms, IUDs, MAPs, and safe tubal ligations, all affordable. Anything that could help lower the number of unwanted pregnancies would be good, so that the abortion issue becomes a moot issue altogether anyway.
    Your stance on birth control is very well thought out. Thank you. Great post.
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    Re: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I have no issue with birth control, IUDs, MAPs, or anything like this, because there is no actual conscience choice to kill the baby growing inside of them.
    Actually, there is. I use a hormonal IUD with full knowledge that every month I'm sexually active it could cause the death of a fertilized egg. In fact, I very much hope that it will do so.

    These all prevent implantation. And there is no way for anyone actually taking these to know whether they are killing anything, even if they use these regularly. I don't believe life starts at conception, but rather implantation. The fetus doesn't actually start to develop until it is implanted.
    Well, it actually starts developing as soon as the egg is fertilized, before it's implanted.

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    Re: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Why is this a good idea? Why is a confusing network of 50 different sets of rules and regulations, all of which can change theoretically every election cycle, a good thing?
    Because I want be able to compare societies. With 50 states. some will be pro-choice, some pro-life, and the rest a mix in between. We would practically have 50 samples to compare how different laws from the abortion sides can affect the US. Logically, after a period of time, the federal government can model it's laws after those states with the greatest benefit, either pro-choice or pro-life.

    And if it's such a big issue, pro-choicers or pro-lifers can obviously vote with their feet.
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    Re: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

    Interesting question.One thing that slightly disturbs me is when pro choice people attack pro life people with "even in the case of rape".We are all decended from rapists and rape victims.What i am trying to say is we shouldnt see the child as some kind of devil seed.
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    Re: Are you ProLife? ProChoice? ProChoice With Limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Because I want be able to compare societies. With 50 states. some will be pro-choice, some pro-life, and the rest a mix in between. We would practically have 50 samples to compare how different laws from the abortion sides can affect the US. Logically, after a period of time, the federal government can model it's laws after those states with the greatest benefit, either pro-choice or pro-life.

    And if it's such a big issue, pro-choicers or pro-lifers can obviously vote with their feet.
    No one is going to move because their state is pro-choice and they are anti-abortion.

    I dont understand why we have to go through that entire mess when we can have one set of laws for the entire country that way we dont have to spend decades tangling over the issue and they dont become hot-button issues during local and state elections, sucking resources and time away from actual issues.
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