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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That's all cute in theory but the state can not manage the needs of the people.
    Never have been, won't ever be.

    For employees to successfully run a business, they are going to have to understand the many concepts about what makes a business work.
    It's not like some guy just woke up one day and said "I'll make a business" and "poof" he was generating income.

    What will the employees (owners) do, when in the first 2 years, the business generates no positive income?
    You do know that most businesses have a time period where they generate no positive income, don't you?



    That's ridiculous.
    The employee is not risking money to be employed, not having risk in illiquid capital investment like machinery and buildings.

    The employee holds a very tiny risk, that he or she may not get that weeks paycheck but does not hold the risk that, they may be financially ruined, because of poor sales.
    There would be people as there is in the US to run the business, I didn't say that there would not be a management in the business. Of course there would. They would be employees like everyone else. There are people that are trained in University to run business. If a new business stars why would there be no income in the first two years? That makes zero sense.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    There would be people as there is in the US to run the business, I didn't say that there would not be a management in the business. Of course there would. They would be employees like everyone else. There are people that are trained in University to run business. If a new business stars why would there be no income in the first two years? That makes zero sense.
    There is income but it isn't always enough to pay the expenses of the business and pay your personal bills.
    That's why they need lines of credit.

    9/10 businesses fail in the first 2 years because of this reason.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Thing is, niether Cuba, and especially North Korea, were never truly Communist, in fact North Korea is so far removed from Communism it's scary.
    Another thing that you and Tashah forgot to point out is that Cuba and North Korea also suffer heavy sanctions from other countries. Even if Cuba had a capitalist system they would still be in poverty if the sanctions continued. Cuba is for the most part cut off from the rest of the world when it comes to importing and exporting.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There is income but it isn't always enough to pay the expenses of the business and pay your personal bills.
    That's why they need lines of credit.

    9/10 businesses fail in the first 2 years because of this reason.
    They need lines of credit? In your nation that may be so. If a business opens in a nation with no private industry they do not face the same problems tha tare faced in the US. A business is started because it is needed not because someone wants it. There is a difference.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    They need lines of credit? In your nation that may be so. If a business opens in a nation with no private industry they do not face the same problems tha tare faced in the US. A business is started because it is needed not because someone wants it. There is a difference.
    Why is this debate still even being had? Communism was refuted nearly a century ago.

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    The problem referred to is that of how to distribute resources rationally in an economy. The free market solution is the price mechanism, wherein people individually have the ability to decide how a good or service should be distributed based on their willingness to give money for it. The price conveys embedded information about the abundance of resources as well as their desirability which in turn allows, on the basis of individual consensual decisions, corrections that prevent shortages and surpluses; Mises and Hayek argued that this is the only possible solution, and without the information provided by market prices socialism lacks a method to rationally allocate resources.
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    According to Kirzner (1973) and Lavoie (1985) entrepreneurs reap profits by supplying unfulfilled needs in markets. Entrepreneurship therefore brings prices closer to marginal costs. The adjustment of prices in markets towards ‘equilibrium’ (where supply and demand equal) gives them greater utilitarian significance. The activities of entrepreneurs make prices more accurate in terms of how they represent the marginal utility of consumers. Prices act as guides to the planning of production. Those who plan production use prices to decide which lines of production should be expanded or curtailed.

    Entrepreneurs lack the profit motive to take risks under socialism, and so are far less likely to attempt to supply consumers demands. Without the price system to match consumer utility to incentives for production, or even indicate those utilities "without providing incentives", state planners are much less likely to invest in new ideas to satisfy consumer’s desires.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    They need lines of credit? In your nation that may be so. If a business opens in a nation with no private industry they do not face the same problems tha tare faced in the US. A business is started because it is needed not because someone wants it. There is a difference.
    That isn't always true.
    Not by a long shot.

    Certainly many of today's technological advances weren't needed but they have increase the quality of life for everyone.
    I don't think I'd want to live in a system of persistent status quo.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0
    They need lines of credit? In your nation that may be so. If a business opens in a nation with no private industry they do not face the same problems tha tare faced in the US. A business is started because it is needed not because someone wants it. There is a difference.
    Want is just as big of a factor in demand as need. No American "needs" a gun (per se), but they are still processed and sold in massive quantities. Why? Because many Americans want them. That want is demand, and when something is demanded, it will be supplied no matter what anyone tries.

    Well, unless you live in that ultra-totalitarianist government I described earlier. Good thing you don't, huh? After all, if you did, you wouldn't be posting here at all.

    After all, you don't "need" to be here.

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Why is this debate still even being had? Communism was refuted nearly a century ago.



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    Well when wiki is the source i generally disregard all of the above as you cannot find an original source. That's the first problem. The second problem is it is very hard to say that something untried will not work. Third why is the world so afraid of the idea. You grasp onto falling Capitalism as if it were a life vest. Keep grasping you are hardly treading water these days in the US.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That isn't always true.
    Not by a long shot.

    Certainly many of today's technological advances weren't needed but they have increase the quality of life for everyone.
    I don't think I'd want to live in a system of persistent status quo.
    What would lead you to believe that a Communist nation would be in a constant state of status. It has been pointed out wrongly that Russia is Communist. If lets say for the sake of arguement that it was. Why do they still have a functional space program. How is it this that this nation gets on better with the rest of the world than the US does. Hmmmmm Oh yes and the other non Communist nation that is always pointed out is China if again for the sake of your arguement were actually Communist why do they own so much of the great Capitalist giant US's debt. These nations seem to be doing pretty well. But of course they aren't really Communist.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Want is just as big of a factor in demand as need. No American "needs" a gun (per se), but they are still processed and sold in massive quantities. Why? Because many Americans want them. That want is demand, and when something is demanded, it will be supplied no matter what anyone tries.

    Well, unless you live in that ultra-totalitarianist government I described earlier. Good thing you don't, huh? After all, if you did, you wouldn't be posting here at all.

    After all, you don't "need" to be here.
    You make no sense. ( Вы не имеете смысла. )
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