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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
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    People want stuff, they have wanted stuff since the dawn of humanity.

    Good intentions won't change that.
    They want stuff so they can keep up with the neighbors. they over extend to get that stuff. Good thinking. LOL
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That isn't true, it is an abrupt failure because it fails to take into account the behaviors of the people.

    The poor tend to be virulent consumers, no matter the economic structure they live in.
    I have seen educationally ignorant poor people conceive elaborate schemes to deprive, other poor people of goods, solely because of their irrational consumptive behavior.

    Communism necessitates an authoritarian structure because of this.
    It is a fairy tale pipe dream.
    It is very true that no nation as such in modern history has been Communist. They are not authoritarian. They are a worker state based on equality. No stockholders sucking the life from the labourer.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The people supported the leaders.
    The choice was made democratically, otherwise the revolution would not have happened.

    On a state level, communism always fails.
    In micro localities, it can flourish with limited private ownership.
    They supported no one. Stalin owned the state and they all marched to his orders. He was the power. Perhaps had Lenin and Trotsky been around it may have been tried. There was a strong politboro. It had a tight fist. This is not even Communisim. There are Communistic communes throughout the world. There is nothing large scale. It has never worked because there has always been a strong military power base at the top.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by expandmymind View Post
    Eh.. there are only two choices and both choices are yes..

    How is this then a poll?
    Its not, its just another sad attempt at a conservative tea bagger trick.

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    They want stuff so they can keep up with the neighbors. they over extend to get that stuff. Good thinking. LOL
    They want stuff because people like having stuff.
    Humans are tool users, that's why we like stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    They supported no one. Stalin owned the state and they all marched to his orders. He was the power. Perhaps had Lenin and Trotsky been around it may have been tried. There was a strong politboro. It had a tight fist. This is not even Communisim. There are Communistic communes throughout the world. There is nothing large scale. It has never worked because there has always been a strong military power base at the top.
    The communists came to power through popular revolution.
    The people consented to the militaristic action through popular support.

    The fact that it stayed a heavy handed authoritarian system only shows that nations can not be communal in nature because the communal ownership will collapse.

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    It is very true that no nation as such in modern history has been Communist. They are not authoritarian. They are a worker state based on equality. No stockholders sucking the life from the labourer.
    No it isn't.
    These communist governments had popular support, they had popular support for the military actions they undertook.
    The fact that the people of the nation supported the authoritarian taking of power, shows that it is authoritarian in nature.
    It can not be sustained without an authoritarian hand.

    Communal owners are just a slightly different form of stockholder.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    The fact that it stayed a heavy handed authoritarian system only shows that nations can not be communal in nature because the communal ownership will collapse.
    One does not lead from the other.

    These communist governments had popular support, they had popular support for the military actions they undertook.
    The fact that the people of the nation supported the authoritarian taking of power, shows that it is authoritarian in nature.
    It can not be sustained without an authoritarian hand.
    All states are authoritarian.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Cuba and North Korea are not Communist. So what exactly are you talking about?
    You're right, but like the Soviet Union they are indicative of what happens when a country sets out to be communist.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    You know - I feel I can't comment on communism because I've never lived it. I've never deeply examined it. And our culture shuns it fully with an almost brainwashed 'it's bad' baseline.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    No, there is nothing in the communist ideology that would enforce poverty like in capitalism, though the application of communism has obviously caused poverty, it was not the ideology but the application thereof.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Well, if we look at the ‘communists’ states of the past and present, the ‘yes, pretty much’ option is correct.
    Most of the population lives in poverty while the leaders vacuum the wealth of the nation.
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