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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    This is a silly thread.. lol. But fun none the less. Capitalism creates low incomes.. brags about it. Communism creates low income because it's supposed to be cashless. The two systems are diametrically opposed. One because it is based on monetary income is individualistic and ultimately without governmental regulation.. anarchist. The other collectivist.. which negates the individual and their particular efforts by supplying the same services to someone who is less in demand. See even supply and demand has a priority in a cashless society. Which makes monetary representation really helpful. At any rate the collective effort brags about limiting income disparity and fails miserably. To be fair the market is not a governmental system like say democracy and communism. The market is just there as long as there is monetary representation. It is separate but at the same time some beast we have in our house that needs to be tended to.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Communism can be organized under an authoritarian ruler, same for capitalism.

    Castro put communes into practice.
    They produced stagnation and inefficiency.
    Giving people certificates for working longer hours does not induce them to work more for the commune.
    Castro did not organize a Communist nation. He organized a nation where he had all the power. He did nothing to establish a Communistic economy. He continued to have the haves and the jave nots. He robbed from the rich to supposedly spread the wealth. He kept the wealth for himself. Why do you think he and Che parted ways. Che and he did not agree on the way the country should be set up. Castro is a diictator plain and simple very much like Stalin though the death toll is lower. Maybe because the population is lower.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    The parts cannot be greater than the whole. The individual must sacrifice and take only from the system what would help to maintain its integrity for the good of everyone.Then the state would be rich to adminster the resources for the common good(CHINA). The poverty would be a shared blessing for the citizens to help keep their national passion for collectiveization for the good of the Country. The highest moral achievment of all the individuals in the communist system-To advance the cause of the party leaders who represent the state.

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Cuba and North Korea are not Communist. So what exactly are you talking about?
    I am talking about exactly what has happened, not a theoretical concept.

    The egalitarianism promoted by communist believers can not exist.
    There is no human propensity to create and maintain such a system.
    It is a pie in the sky system of "everyone has equal power and will not abuse anyone else."

    Plainly, with universal suffrage, we see that people will abuse others.
    Communism can be organized under an authoritarian regime and has been.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I am talking about exactly what has happened, not a theoretical concept.

    The egalitarianism promoted by communist believers can not exist.
    There is no human propensity to create and maintain such a system.
    It is a pie in the sky system of "everyone has equal power and will not abuse anyone else."

    Plainly, with universal suffrage, we see that people will abuse others.
    Communism can be organized under an authoritarian regime and has been.
    Communisim is truly evolved to. When a nation is forced via revolution it sets military as a very important operative. This allows for the extreme that you saw when Stalin rose to power. It is what has happened no nation after nation. It is believed that Communism can follow revolution and it has never happened. The power base is set in the military and leads to tyrants and dichtators.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Communisim is truly evolved to. When a nation is forced via revolution it sets military as a very important operative. This allows for the extreme that you saw when Stalin rose to power. It is what has happened no nation after nation. It is believed that Communism can follow revolution and it has never happened. The power base is set in the military and leads to tyrants and dichtators.
    China attempted collectivization via the Great Leap forward, it was an abysmal disaster.

    Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You can not create communism without force.
    It will not exist on it's own.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by b.larset View Post
    The highest moral achievment of all the individuals in the communist system-To advance the cause of the party leaders who represent the state.
    This is true. Moral hierarchies create a temporary static system .. meaning they will fail if they are based on a moral hierarchy because morals are relative to time and place and more often then not have exceptions to the rule. I prefer an adaptation over static morality and it makes more sense anyhow because morality consequences are un-measurable using science in any absolute way.

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    I would have voted no. I don't particularly support one ideology over the other but I do recognise that leadership and corruption along with exclusion by capitalist countries (which was probably the largest factor to be honest) is largely what is to blame for the nick of communist countries.

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    China attempted collectivization via the Great Leap forward, it was an abysmal disaster.

    Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You can not create communism without force.
    It will not exist on it's own.
    It seems very obvious that you cannot create Communism by force. A collective will begin and move outward spreading the good that comes from it. You being with the evolution of people out of the dark ages of materialism and consumerism.

    Wiki is a very poor source. You may want to try something real.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    It seems very obvious that you cannot create Communism by force. A collective will begin and move outward spreading the good that comes from it. You being with the evolution of people out of the dark ages of materialism and consumerism.

    Wiki is a very poor source. You may want to try something real.
    Wiki is the representation of reality.
    People want stuff, they have wanted stuff since the dawn of humanity.

    Good intentions won't change that.
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