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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Weirdness... were Russia and China industrialized countries.
    Russia certainly was.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    Ah, I don't think anyone could make that comparison because we haven't evolved yet enough to embrace the superior Marxian system.
    Our last evolvement era was probably around 1800 BC when the plow was invented. Not much change after that. Our behavior is the same, and the vast majority still believe in gods, miracles, and ghosts.

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

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    You have an estimate on that evolution?
    Ah, another one that doesn't know what Marxism is...
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Our last evolvement era was probably around 1800 BC when the plow was invented. Not much change after that. Our behavior is the same, and the vast majority still believe in gods, miracles, and ghosts.

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Russia certainly was.
    What? Russia's population was only a fraction proletariat.

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    What? Russia's population was only a fraction proletariat.
    One doesn't judge states on whether they are industrialized or not, or whether they are capitalist or not, based on the number of citizens who are workers/peasants. Social relations and the dominant mode of production isn't determined by a poll.

    The fact is that Russia was one of the largest producers at the turn of the century. In fact, Lenin wrote an entire book on how Russia was capitalist to combat the Narodnik notion that Russia could "skip" capitalism.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Russia was a major industrial power of europe and one of the fastest growing before the revolution. However I was under the impression that marxism required a significant proletarian class whereas russians were mostly peasantry. Russia was approaching the coal production of western european nations but this is still only a fraction in a population of hundreds of millions. You seem to know more on this, however, and I guess I'll look into Lenin's work if/when I have time.

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Russia did have a significant proletarian class. The fact that they were successful in implementing a proletarian revolution proves this.

    I wouldn't recommend reading Lenin's book though as it is incredibly dense. I would recommend either Lenin's earlier works on this subject that are shorter or Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution, which was used as the go-to text on the history of the revolution up until Stalinism and bureaucratism won out.
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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Russia did have a significant proletarian class. The fact that they were successful in implementing a proletarian revolution proves this.
    What about the fact that Russia's army was severely devestated during WWI?

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    Re: Does communism force a portion of the population to live in poverty?

    What about the fact that Russia's army was severely devestated during WWI?
    How is that relevant?
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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