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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Slavery is a form of capitalism, it treats humans as a resource. As a form of capital.
    Slavery is a form of theft, the theft of labor.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Slavery is a form of theft, the theft of labor.
    The truth is the labor in China is being paid with American money. It isn't slavery that is only a figure of speech to be honest. They are America's working poor.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    Slavery is a form of theft, the theft of labor.
    By what logic?
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    Is there a way to ensure no poverty and a way to somehow get everyone in a society to connect....and not want to rob out of jealousy???
    No.

    Socialism attempts to correct this issue - but it also fails.
    So do other more extreme forms of economy control and crafting.

    The lesson learned: you cannot keep everyone from being poor, from having to do the mundane crappy jobs and from living a sub-standard life.

    Why? Because people have free-will. Some are smarter than others. Some have no ethics and no morals and will lie and thieve to get what they want. Others just don't want to be rich, well off, middle class - and so forth.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You are kidding right? You don't see that the real wages earned by our poor has grown over the past 200 years? I wish I had the data to demonstrate it. Ok, I found a graph. The bottom 20th percentile has doubled it's income over the past 60 years.

    In the last 200 years, sure. But when you look at the last decade or so, the trend is different. See for example:

    The study suggests that absolute mobility -- the rate at which an entire generation's lot improves relative to previous generations -- has declined. But within a particular generation, individuals can still get ahead if relative mobility, the rate at which the rich and poor trade places, remains high. Poor fathers may have rich sons, and vice versa.

    The report also found that between 1947 and 1974, productivity, or output per hour, and median family income, adjusted for inflation, both roughly doubled. Between 1974 and 2000, productivity rose 56% while income rose 29%. Between 2000 and 2005, productivity rose 16% while median income fell 2%, challenging "the notion that a rising tide will lift all boats," the report says.
    Not Your Father's Pay: Why Wages Today Are Weaker - WSJ.com

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    No.

    Socialism attempts to correct this issue - but it also fails.
    So do other more extreme forms of economy control and crafting.

    The lesson learned: you cannot keep everyone from being poor, from having to do the mundane crappy jobs and from living a sub-standard life.

    Why? Because people have free-will. Some are smarter than others. Some have no ethics and no morals and will lie and thieve to get what they want. Others just don't want to be rich, well off, middle class - and so forth.

    You can't fix something that is just part of human nature.
    There are other reasons why people become more well to do then others .. for example inheritance, best friends.. dumb luck.. etc. It isn't all necessarily a moral hierarchy to attain wealth. Millions and millions of people work hard all their life and never become rich and the capitalist system reinforces the gap.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    It dishonestly shows all groups raising at the same rate because of compounding increases on the scale. If we were to look at the data as it actually it is, we would be looking at steeper slopes for higher percentiles. I didn't weigh in on this specific debate (as I was going on about poverty, not stratification of income, which seems that was something you were chatting with Winston Smith about).

    I believe poverty is something best measured relative to the rest of society and not absolutely though since that is how people generally seem to measure themselves.
    It does not show all groups raising at the same rate. Look at the 95% between 1970 and now versus the 20%.

    So you are in poverty if you don't grow at the same rate as the wealthy? Ridiculous.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    The truth is the labor in China is being paid with American money. It isn't slavery that is only a figure of speech to be honest. They are America's working poor.
    Yes, but they have no recourse to American law or American standards of fairness in wages or anything else. They provide cheap labor largely because of conditions established by their own government. Neither our corporations nor the critics of capitalism can legitimately claim that such people are stakeholders in our "capitalist" system.
    Last edited by Winston Smith; 09-25-10 at 10:11 AM.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    In the last 200 years, sure. But when you look at the last decade or so, the trend is different. See for example:
    That's like saying the weather equals the climate. Short term fluctuations don't predict long term outcomes.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    By what logic?
    For the reason that the labor is taken by force and without compensation.

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