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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Yeah no they likely actually live in a mixed free market economy.

    China does use a combination of innovation and cheap labour but manufacturers.. ie multinational corporations can skip the high cost of innovation more easy there. Which directly translates to cheap labour. But the technology exists to do it in the US .. only thing is it produces less employment which equates to less consumption. The American economy failed because of lack of legitimate manufacturing that is exported .. essentially. Chamerica is the baby of the 90's "new world era" globalisation economics, which is turning into a grand failure for the market and sequentially …….. America.
    A trade deficit will not hurt a country long term.
    That has been argued for near on 200 years, it isn't true.

    The economy fails because there are market cycles, some cycles are more influenced by policy that others.
    This cycle drop is because of a lot of adverse policies in regard to housing.

    China has to employ manufacturing innovation because of the international expectation of minimum quality.
    China used to make a lot of just junky crap, see Chinese scooter imports.
    Lately they have racketed it up, producing quality low cost items, the growing Chinese middle class is a good thing.
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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A trade deficit will not hurt a country long term.
    That has been argued for near on 200 years, it isn't true.

    The economy fails because there are market cycles, some cycles are more influenced by policy that others.
    This cycle drop is because of a lot of adverse policies in regard to housing.

    China has to employ manufacturing innovation because of the international expectation of minimum quality.
    China used to make a lot of just junky crap, see Chinese scooter imports.
    Lately they have racketed it up, producing quality low cost items, the growing Chinese middle class is a good thing.
    No your wrong.. the trade deficit is huge. Your borrowing largely to subsidise corperations that run in both countries. In the end your debt will be huge and the corperations will just leave you as the bag holder.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    No your wrong.. the trade deficit is huge. Your borrowing largely to subsidise corperations that run in both countries. In the end your debt will be huge and the corperations will just leave you as the bag holder.
    Check this out though, I'm about to buy a chunk of Chinese telecom stock.
    It pays a nice dividend.
    All markets are interconnected, even when they aren't measured for returnability.
    (like dividends from the Chinese telecom, they aren't measured in the trade balance.)
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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Check this out though, I'm about to buy a chunk of Chinese telecom stock.
    It pays a nice dividend.
    All markets are interconnected, even when they aren't measured for returnability.
    (like dividends from the Chinese telecom, they aren't measured in the trade balance.)
    I understand that.. most people don't do it. If I were investing I would not be investing in America.. if I had the money to invest.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Check this out though, I'm about to buy a chunk of Chinese telecom stock.
    It pays a nice dividend.
    All markets are interconnected, even when they aren't measured for returnability.
    (like dividends from the Chinese telecom, they aren't measured in the trade balance.)
    I should also say though the chinese market is in jeaprody because of the American economy.. which makes investment iffy in China. They don't really have a good consumer base.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I should also say though the chinese market is in jeaprody because of the American economy.. which makes investment iffy in China. They don't really have a good consumer base.
    Their consumer base is growing and they are slowly liberating their economy.
    Emerging markets have the most potential for profit because of the previous idleness and/or wastefulness of their resources prior to the introduction to the international market.

    Vietnam is another example of a potential boom waiting to happen.
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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I understand that.. most people don't do it. If I were investing I would not be investing in America.. if I had the money to invest.
    Some things in America make sense to invest in.
    I work for a domestic manufacturer listed on the NYSE.

    The products we make aren't going to be outsourced to China, it makes no economic sense to do it.
    I've put my money where my mouth is on this one.
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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Some things in America make sense to invest in.
    I work for a domestic manufacturer listed on the NYSE.

    The products we make aren't going to be outsourced to China, it makes no economic sense to do it.
    I've put my money where my mouth is on this one.
    yeah but return on investment the Chinese have had nice growth. If only the US had come up with something after the IT boom beyond the service industry. Biotech has failed and is viewed as risky business and rightfully so. After the IT bubble burst they moved speculation to the housing market that was beyond all reality.. a result of an unrestrained financial market.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Their consumer base is growing and they are slowly liberating their economy.
    Emerging markets have the most potential for profit because of the previous idleness and/or wastefulness of their resources prior to the introduction to the international market.

    Vietnam is another example of a potential boom waiting to happen.
    The problem is that it is to slow a "liberation"... particularly now. This market crash is about 30 years to early.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    yeah but return on investment the Chinese have had nice growth. If only the US had come up with something after the IT boom beyond the service industry. Biotech has failed and is viewed as risky business and rightfully so. After the IT bubble burst they moved speculation to the housing market that was beyond all reality.. a result of an unrestrained financial market.
    Generally speaking, pushing a portion of the market in one direction via positive action, can lead to very large busts.

    I think the best bet, is to leave it to itself during the next boom and see what develops.
    A hands off market boom, to see where the natural want for growth heads.
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