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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Oh.. I think that is the suggestion indeed. These unregulated/untaxed capitalist must be rolling in the money.
    I see opportunity, where you see something else.
    It's wonderful, to see people engage in free exchange, unhindered by irrational regulation.

    Edit: that one trade stand shows the bounty a little profit motive can provide.
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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Capitalism in its rawest state does not make people less poor. Just the opposite. That is why we set up a safety net for those who are not able to compete for any of a variety of reasons. The debate we are having in the country is largely just how big that safety net should be.
    That isn't true either.

    Only those who cannot provide for themselves because of a mental and/or physical condition stay poor.
    They are not made poor by capitalism.
    Absent the social welfare system, they will probably die.

    Capitalism has created excess, with that comes charity.
    A voluntary social welfare system.
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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Even those positive traits like hope can feed the negative loop though.
    Especially when the odds are low, like playing the lottery.

    I don't think perfectly rational people would be any better than mostly emotional people.
    Which is what we have now, although I do seek to rid ourselves of some of those negative emotions, where they are better suited in the correct time and place.
    There is a reason why the poor play the lottery more often than the middle or upper class. It gives them some sort of (mostly false) hope where they would otherwise have none. Basically its (crappy) therapy for those other things I mentioned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I understand what your saying completely, what I'm getting at is that capitalism does not create poverty, it creates opportunity.
    Poverty is largely an absence of opportunity
    Poverty and opportunity are a part of any economic system.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I see opportunity, where you see something else.
    It's wonderful, to see people engage in free exchange, unhindered by irrational regulation.

    Edit: that one trade stand shows the bounty a little profit motive can provide.
    lol.. so consider what that country does economically and wonder why their free market looks like that and ours looks like this.


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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    There is a reason why the poor play the lottery more often than the middle or upper class. It gives them some sort of (mostly false) hope where they would otherwise have none. Basically its (crappy) therapy for those other things I mentioned.
    I agree.
    To me, it's crazy that we allow the state to operate a system that is essentially a tax on the poor, to provide education for the middle and wealthy income ranges.


    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Poverty and opportunity are a part of any economic system.
    That is some what true, poverty is apart of all systems, opportunity isn't always available in tightly controlled systems.
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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    lol.. so consider what that country does economically and wonder why their free market looks like that and ours looks like this.

    Their individual age of development does not mean that they are worse off.
    Ipads, in my mind, are a complete waste.
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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I would beg to differ about capitalism and everyone "plays by the same rules". The wealthy have a privileged world.

    Economic activism ? What exactly do you mean?

    Thirdly .. I understand materialism has exploded under capitalism. Marx predicted communism would be as materialistic but misunderstood and underestimated individual profit motives. Clearly advances in science and physic's have been translated into the spreading of material goods. Just happens that the market is the way it is spread around.. it certainly isn't a perfect market and it has always been overseen by the state.
    By economic activism I mean entrepreneurship, creativity, upward mobility, independence, among other things. Contrary to what spud_meister said, and unlike in pre- or non-capitalist societies, a person in a functional capitalist society isn't merely a resource. They're more like an engine that puts resources to work. The difference is like the difference between a working motor put to use and one put to scrap.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I agree.
    To me, it's crazy that we allow the state to operate a system that is essentially a tax on the poor, to provide education for the middle and wealthy income ranges.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is some what true, poverty is apart of all systems, opportunity isn't always available in tightly controlled systems.
    Its impossible to stifle all opportunity, even in a police state. One can always become a patsy for the sytem for example.

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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Its impossible to stifle all opportunity, even in a police state. One can always become a patsy for the sytem for example.
    That's true too.
    It's incredibly wasteful though.

    For instance, the cost of marijuana per pound is more than 15 times the cost it would be if it were legal for sale.
    It's a legitimate opportunity buried and made wasteful.
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    Re: Does Capitalism force a percentage of the population to live in poverty?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Their individual age of development does not mean that they are worse off.
    Ipads, in my mind, are a complete waste.
    I dislike them as well.(Ipads)

    I think what your referring to with regards to "age" is their economic era.. which would be agricultural... at least by the look of it. But then comes more advanced economies in economic theory .. manufacturing comes next which is a great industry for innovation and growth through efficiency advances.. but these advances already exist.. so maybe they will skip the manufacturing part and move to the service industry.. ? Of course in China they didn't use innovation they use cheap labour that the government keeps artificially low via anti inflationary politics that are favourable to capitalist.

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