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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    You haven't seen any evidence for the opposite either, have you? To believe that there is no life after death is just as spiritual as believing there is a life after death.

    If you are going to take the scientific approach, you need to say 'I don't know"
    You seem to have missed the second part of my first argument. Of course I can't disprove that a soul exists. I also can't disprove that an invisible teapot orbits the sun between Mars and the Earth, but until you give me a compelling reason to suppose that one does, I'm going to continue believing that there is no invisible teapot.

    On a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being absolute certainty that there is a god, and 7 being absolute certainty that there is no god, even Richard Dawkins claims a 6. Why? Because he's a scientist, and unlike religious folks, any good scientist will never say anything is absolutely true or absolutely untrue. We live in the realm of probabilities. And to me, the probability that there is no soul is pretty high. Not 100%. But pretty high.


    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    Why can't an immartial substance interact with the material world? Actually, I don't think souls are any different from any other substances/forces around in the world. They are all part of the world and interacting with each other. But if the soul doesn't exist, I have trouble explaining why we get the feeling of living in only one body. How do you explain that?
    If souls are material (i.e. made up of matter), then why can't we observe them? Everything that is material can be observed, either directly, or indirectly via their interaction with things that are directly observable.

    As for your perception of living in only one body, I'm not really sure where you're going with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    No wonder. The soul only controls the brain. It isn't the brain and if the brain changes, then the person is also going to change. For instance, if you are tired you are going to behave quite differently than if you are on drugs or if you are not tired. That's because the brain is behaving differently.

    And to answer the question, yes I think there is an after life. My reasoning is that it has happened before. I have already argued why a soul exist. Then the process of creation of life is quite extraordinary. And if it has happened before, why couldn't it happen again?
    Right, but once you sleep, you stop being tired and return to your natural state, or once you come down from whatever drug you're on, you return to your baseline state. If you've suffered a brain injury, you are permanently changed. Your personality, your relationship to the outside world, is different. Permanently. You are literally a different person.

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Is there "life" after death - or is dead, dead.

    Elaborate if you'd like.
    I voted "Uncertain." There's no evidence one way or the other. Until there is, I don't think about it too much. There's too many things in the life to focus on instead of death.

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamJB View Post
    You seem to have missed the second part of my first argument. Of course I can't disprove that a soul exists. I also can't disprove that an invisible teapot orbits the sun between Mars and the Earth, but until you give me a compelling reason to suppose that one does, I'm going to continue believing that there is no invisible teapot.

    On a scale of 1 to 7, with 1 being absolute certainty that there is a god, and 7 being absolute certainty that there is no god, even Richard Dawkins claims a 6. Why? Because he's a scientist, and unlike religious folks, any good scientist will never say anything is absolutely true or absolutely untrue. We live in the realm of probabilities. And to me, the probability that there is no soul is pretty high. Not 100%. But pretty high.
    I don't think it's a very fair comparison, because we have nothing to suggest that there is an invisible teapot out there. We do have something to suggest that there is souls, the feeling of existence.

    Actually we can compare this to inteligent life on other planets. Does the fact that we have no evidence for inteligent life on other planets mean that there is no life on other planets. Of course not! Does it show that it is unlikely that there is no inteligent life on other planets. Absolutly not. To say something like that, you need evidence. You don't have any evidence to say that there is no afterlife and if you believe there is no afterlife without evidence, then you are just as spiritual as I am.

    If souls are material (i.e. made up of matter), then why can't we observe them? Everything that is material can be observed, either directly, or indirectly via their interaction with things that are directly observable.

    As for your perception of living in only one body, I'm not really sure where you're going with that.
    Who gave you the idea that we can observe everything in the universe? I'm sure there are tons of material out there we haven't discovered and some of them may be impossible to discover.

    You don't need to know where I'm going with it. Just answer the question, if my beliefs are so unlikely then you should be able to answer. So what gives us the perception of living in only one body. How can you explain that feeling scientifically.


    Right, but once you sleep, you stop being tired and return to your natural state, or once you come down from whatever drug you're on, you return to your baseline state. If you've suffered a brain injury, you are permanently changed. Your personality, your relationship to the outside world, is different. Permanently. You are literally a different person.
    Doesn't matter if a state is permanent or temporary. I'm just saying that if you change the brain, then people are going to act different. It's not an argument against souls, because souls only influence the brain. They don't control it.
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    Re: Is there life after death?

    There is no life after death, there is only more death.
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    There is no life after death, there is only more death.
    Or more life, if your glass is half full.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    digsbe's posts pretty much sum up what I would say.


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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Or more life, if your glass is half full.
    And what if my glass is half full and half empty and half half-half?
    "The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    And what if my glass is half full and half empty and half half-half?
    Then you're a halfwit.
    So follow me into the desert
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    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No disrespect taken

    My belief in the afterlife is what I believe the Bible describes it as. I believe in a heaven and hell and in a new incarnated earth. I believe in heaven we will have glorified bodies as the Bible says (not mindless spirits). I believe we will have relationships with others, be with God, have jobs, and live a perfect eternal life. I don't believe in the typical chubby angels and mindless spirits floating on clouds image.
    How do you suppose you will live a "perfect eternal life" if your loved ones- possibly your spouse, parents, and children- are all suffering eternal torment in hell?
    Do you suppose this will simply cease to bother you after awhile?

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Having yet to see any reliable evidence of life after death, it seems highly unlikely, but not impossible.

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