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    Re: Is there life after death?

    I believe in innumerable heavens and hells, the realms of the many gods, and that persons may be assigned to one of those heavens and hells when they die according to their faith, their piety, and their moral conduct. I also believe that a person's soul can be reborn in the line of their descendants, and that life, afterlife, and rebirth are all part of a cycle to strengthen our souls over lifetimes in preparation for Ragnarok, when only the spirits of the survivors will live to repopulate the new world that is created in the aftermath of the end of this one.

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    That is how I was before I lost my faith too. I never could really buy into the dogma of any particular Christian sect.
    I lost my faith for a few years and later decided on the beliefs I have now. I don't agree with any denomination really. I do attend a non-denominational church, and I don't like claiming that my theology is infallible and 100% correct. I do believe I am right in my Christian theology, but I don't rule out other interpretations and will allow myself to be corrected.
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    Re: Is there life after death?

    William basically said what I would have said (post#8).
    'The whole universe is going to die!'

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I lost my faith for a few years and later decided on the beliefs I have now. I don't agree with any denomination really. I do attend a non-denominational church, and I don't like claiming that my theology is infallible and 100% correct. I do believe I am right in my Christian theology, but I don't rule out other interpretations and will allow myself to be corrected.
    You know, I don't agree with your faith on much, but even if he wasn't the son of your god or actually god himself, your Christ deserves the worship he's received. Reading the accounts of the men who followed him, he was one of history's truly great souls.

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    I believe in the Great Circle Of Life, when I die I'll become a piece of grass, then an antelope, then a lion called Mufasa.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamJB View Post
    2. A life after death presupposes a soul. There is, however, decently compelling evidence against the existence of a soul. A soul would be, by definition, immaterial. But at the same time, it would have to be capable of interacting with the material world, otherwise, it would have no mechanism by which it could influence the behavior of its host body. This is a logical contradiction, though, since an immaterial substance by definition cannot interact with the material world. In addition, if we define a soul as the essence of what makes a person who they are, the seat of their reason, personality, etc., then a soul is nothing more than the collection of neurons firing in a specific pattern in one's brain. This can be proven by studying people who have suffered brain injuries. In many cases, their entire personality changes, making them for all intents and purposes, a different person.
    Interesting. I don't disagree with your first point but what exactly do you consider gravity to be? Material or immaterial? Is it a substance at all? Does it have atoms? What is gravity? What about electromagnetism? Strong force? Weak force? I am on your side as much as anybody but I do seek some sort of explanation to whether you consider gravity to be material or immaterial.
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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    I believe in the Great Circle Of Life, when I die I'll become a piece of grass, then an antelope, then a lion called Mufasa.
    Holy **** I believe pretty much the same thing. I was trying to post it but the board said the ISP had to do a patch.

    I have congestive heart failure and a heart transplant is in my future. It is freaky that some one has to die for me to get a heart. And it concerns me deeply. But it is the circle of life. When I get a heart mine will studied adding to the circle. And when I die I can further add to the circle. And I want nothing to go to waste even if it means vultures pick my bones. My greatest fear is being pumped full of chemicals and buried.
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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamJB View Post
    No, I don't believe in life after death, for two reasons.

    1. I have never seen any compelling evidence for it, and I therefore see no reason to believe there to be any kind of afterlife. Much like the existence of god, the burden of proof rests with the people making the positive assertion. Until I'm shown compelling evidence for an afterlife, I don't believe in one, for the same reason I don't believe in unicorns.
    You haven't seen any evidence for the opposite either, have you? To believe that there is no life after death is just as spiritual as believing there is a life after death.

    If you are going to take the scientific approach, you need to say 'I don't know"

    2. A life after death presupposes a soul. There is, however, decently compelling evidence against the existence of a soul. A soul would be, by definition, immaterial. But at the same time, it would have to be capable of interacting with the material world, otherwise, it would have no mechanism by which it could influence the behavior of its host body. This is a logical contradiction, though, since an immaterial substance by definition cannot interact with the material world.
    Why can't an immartial substance interact with the material world? Actually, I don't think souls are any different from any other substances/forces around in the world. They are all part of the world and interacting with each other. But if the soul doesn't exist, I have trouble explaining why we get the feeling of living in only one body. How do you explain that?


    In addition, if we define a soul as the essence of what makes a person who they are, the seat of their reason, personality, etc., then a soul is nothing more than the collection of neurons firing in a specific pattern in one's brain. This can be proven by studying people who have suffered brain injuries. In many cases, their entire personality changes, making them for all intents and purposes, a different person.
    No wonder. The soul only controls the brain. It isn't the brain and if the brain changes, then the person is also going to change. For instance, if you are tired you are going to behave quite differently than if you are on drugs or if you are not tired. That's because the brain is behaving differently.

    And to answer the question, yes I think there is an after life. My reasoning is that it has happened before. I have already argued why a soul exist. Then the process of creation of life is quite extraordinary. And if it has happened before, why couldn't it happen again?
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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Is there "life" after death - or is dead, dead.
    There is something after death, but it does not resemble the life you live now. When you die, your ego dies. Whatever is left moves on.

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    Re: Is there life after death?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Interesting. I don't disagree with your first point but what exactly do you consider gravity to be? Material or immaterial? Is it a substance at all? Does it have atoms? What is gravity? What about electromagnetism? Strong force? Weak force? I am on your side as much as anybody but I do seek some sort of explanation to whether you consider gravity to be material or immaterial.
    Electromagnetism is carried by photons, which can in fact be seen (actually, everything we see is photons). The weak force is carried by W and Z bosons, which can also be directly observed, as can gluons, the carriers of the strong force.

    Gravity is admittedly slightly more problematic, but I have two points related to that:

    1. There are several theories that suggest the existence of gravitons, that is, hypothetical gravity-force carrying particles, which make sense based on all of the math, but have yet to be directly observed. The Higgs Boson may also play an important role in explaining exactly how gravity interacts with the material world.

    2. Even if we don't fully understand the mechanism behind gravitational interactions, we can observe how it acts on all matter, and it acts on all matter exactly the same way. Einstein's general theory of relativity also offers a pretty good explanation which doesn't require any particular interaction between objects, but is rather a consequence of the curvature of space-time. This is not even in the same ballpark as a "soul."

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