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    Re: Government intrusion

    That's because, fundamentally, the people do not want less government. They want less government in their lives and more in their neighbors'.

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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    That's because, fundamentally, the people do not want less government. They want less government in their lives and more in their neighbors'.
    I agree. And you? What does a fascist want? Do you want your political minions to control my thoughts and my own personal behavior?

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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    I agree. And you? What does a fascist want? Do you want your political minions to control my thoughts and my own personal behavior?
    You should be free to make your own choices as long as you choose to do what I think is best.

    And yes, that is precisely what I want the State to do. In the absence of firm moral leadership, society regresses toward an ever-degenerating least common denominator, a trend which is easily observed in our decadent society and its mass media. Liberal political philosophies seek to undermine the moral authority of government, reducing it to little more than a harried traffic cop without the resources to achieve the meager goals with which it has been tasked. All forms of liberalism and libertarianism are fundamentally immoral and anti-human, and it is these influences within society that the Fascist rightfully struggles against.

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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What makes you think that allowing that to even occur is justifiable? So it didn't turn out as bad as it could have. That doesn't mean we do nothing or even reduce oversight a Turtledude argues.
    And it will never occur with the FDA?

    Every large meat producer. And they've been doing it for at least two decades this way. You should read Fast Food Nation. Jack in the Box almost went under for using that meat. And their supplier still exists.
    I've never gotten sick from Jack in the Box food, and nobody has for a while now.

    Not at all. An agreement which explicitly forbids you from selling certain products to certain people is regulation. It being part of the contract deal is a sign it is a form of regulation. In fact, that is a poster child of regulation. Government telling you what you can't sell and who you can't sell it to.
    Then I can regulate by writing a contract that forces someone to keep my secret? It's kind of a broad definition of regulation and typically not the thing that free market economists complain about.

    And like most, it will go badly because most people have no understanding of what occurred other then what pundits tell them. Still, fundamentally the problem was over use of leverage across the system. There's no way that could have continued indefinitely.
    It was inevitable, for quite a few reasons.

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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And it will never occur with the FDA?
    Of course it will. But the FDA has no right to force a recall. That's totally screwed up. They can force a recall of dangerous paints that over time may cause cancer but they cannot force a recall of tainted ecoli ground beef which has proven to be a known killer. That makes no sense.

    I've never gotten sick from Jack in the Box food, and nobody has for a while now.
    That you know of. Kind of a big assumption that you not hearing anything = nothing happened. Especially considering the level of food poisoning that occurs yearly in this country. But fast food has done a good job of fixing its supply chain. Grocery stores are another matter entirely. And the FDA and other regulatory agencies cannot force them to recall potentially lethal food items.

    Then I can regulate by writing a contract that forces someone to keep my secret? It's kind of a broad definition of regulation and typically not the thing that free market economists complain about.
    That does nothing to argue it's not regulation. And since Turtledude made the truly asinine argument (one of his many asinine arguments) that there is too much everywhere, he has argued there's too much in export restrictions of military hardware. Is he wrong? Of course. But that's hardly news.

    The government has the right to force Ford to recall dangerous vehicles that in the right condition may cause minor injury. But it cannot force a meat producer to recall tainted meat harboring shiga toxin producing ecoli. That makes absolutely no sense. Chance of slight injury is more important then having your organs liquefied.
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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    You should be free to make your own choices as long as you choose to do what I think is best.

    And yes, that is precisely what I want the State to do. In the absence of firm moral leadership, society regresses toward an ever-degenerating least common denominator, a trend which is easily observed in our decadent society and its mass media. Liberal political philosophies seek to undermine the moral authority of government, reducing it to little more than a harried traffic cop without the resources to achieve the meager goals with which it has been tasked. All forms of liberalism and libertarianism are fundamentally immoral and anti-human, and it is these influences within society that the Fascist rightfully struggles against.
    It's nice that libertarians and fascists can come together peacefully and discuss these sorts of topics. Our group doesn't live very long with your group in power.

    By the way, are you just another revisionist or do you adopt the standard history of Fascism? Do you have any moral leaders you wish to name?
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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    It's nice that libertarians and fascists can come together peacefully and discuss these sorts of topics. Our group doesn't live very long with your group in power.
    No, it's his group that doesn't live very long with his group in power.

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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    That's because, fundamentally, the people do not want less government. They want less government in their lives and more in their neighbors'.
    This is probably the most accurate statement made on this forum to date.
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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    What's the discussion? In certain areas I think we need more government, and in others I think we need less. It's finding a balance that is key, and each area has a different balance.
    There are very few areas where we need more government. There are MOUNTAINS of areas where we need LESS government.

    So overall, less government wins by a margin of about 1000/1.

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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    There are very few areas where we need more government. There are MOUNTAINS of areas where we need LESS government.

    So overall, less government wins by a margin of about 1000/1.
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