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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    Is someone going to add a poll?
    Not sure why we actually need a poll (Beyond being in the poll section). The reasonable, intelligent answer is "Some good, some bad."

    Turtledude's opinion that we have too much everywhere is pretty insane when you look at the sheer lack of power the government has over the food industry's capacity to literally sicken and kill every man, woman and child in this country.

    And the idea that we have too little everywhere is insane as well.
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    Re: Government intrusion

    Well, we are in the poll section so…
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    Re: Government intrusion

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    Re: Government intrusion

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    Uh, needs fixing. Change one of the "Not enough government" to "Some good, some bad..."
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    Re: Government intrusion

    The complete and utter failure of the economy in the US was directly attributable to lax or non existent regulations. The real problem in the US is that corperations run your government.

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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Uh, needs fixing. Change one of the "Not enough government" to "Some good, some bad..."
    Typical government-quality work, eh?

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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Easy. Food. The FDA does not have the authority to force a company to recall tainted food or even publicly announce without the company's permission. The government can force a company to take back a dangerous non-food product and announce that publicly, but a food producer, like the big egg farm that tainted hundreds of millions of eggs with salmonella last month has the right to ignore the FDA and sell potentially lethal food products. The only real thing the FDA can do is pull its inspectors, effectively shutting down a plant. That does not stop the containmented food products that have already been shipped from being sold.
    That's not even a good example. Those eggs weren't that bad. Everyone had the information, made a big deal about it, and threw the eggs out. The food was still safe if you just scrambled the eggs! That's really not that much of a problem.

    The fact that the government can make a company recall slightly defective cribs that may accidentally kill 1 infant out of 1 million but cannot force a recall of food which can (and has) sickened and killed millions and hundreds is frightening. I want the FDA to have the power to force food producers to recall e-coli laced meat. Especially consider the type of e-coli out there. The kind that produces shiga toxins which literally liquefy your organs.
    What kind of producer is going to keep making that and have the ability to stay in business?

    And here's another example of you being as usual, wrong. Regulation prevents certain high tech weapons like the F-22 from being exported. This is a very good thing. It ensures American technological superiority on the battlefield.
    Isn't that kind of stretching the definition of regulation? I thought that was just part of the deal that the military makes with defense contractors.

    Molten is correct. We have too much in some places and too little in others. One example of too little was Gringrich and Clinton's repeal of the GSA which is directly responsible for the current recession.
    I foresee a "what started the recession" thread, complete with CRA, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Federal Reserve, Bush, etc.

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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    The complete and utter failure of the economy in the US was directly attributable to lax or non existent regulations. The real problem in the US is that corperations run your government.
    You can't allow corporations to have free reign, but you can't squeeze them either. The solution is to random check on them enough times to keep them guessing.

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    Re: Government intrusion

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's not even a good example. Those eggs weren't that bad. Everyone had the information, made a big deal about it, and threw the eggs out. The food was still safe if you just scrambled the eggs! That's really not that much of a problem.
    What makes you think that allowing that to even occur is justifiable? So it didn't turn out as bad as it could have. That doesn't mean we do nothing or even reduce oversight a Turtledude argues.

    What kind of producer is going to keep making that and have the ability to stay in business?
    Every large meat producer. And they've been doing it for at least two decades this way. You should read Fast Food Nation. Jack in the Box almost went under for using that meat. And their supplier still exists.

    Isn't that kind of stretching the definition of regulation? I thought that was just part of the deal that the military makes with defense contractors.
    Not at all. An agreement which explicitly forbids you from selling certain products to certain people is regulation. It being part of the contract deal is a sign it is a form of regulation. In fact, that is a poster child of regulation. Government telling you what you can't sell and who you can't sell it to.

    I foresee a "what started the recession" thread, complete with CRA, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Federal Reserve, Bush, etc.
    And like most, it will go badly because most people have no understanding of what occurred other then what pundits tell them. Still, fundamentally the problem was over use of leverage across the system. There's no way that could have continued indefinitely.
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    Re: Government intrusion

    It's interesting to note that the majority of American citizens would actually respond that there is too much government in our daily lives, but when pressed on certain issues, the majority refuse to disenfranchise the various levels of government control. Hence, the unaltering status-quo.

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