View Poll Results: Do You Support DREAM?

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Thread: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Something that encourages more illegal immigration is not anti-illegal immigration, its pro-illegal immigration. Telling people hey not only can you give birth to anchor babies(children born to foreigners who can facilitate the legal immigration of relatives other than spouse or minor children under the provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965) we will also allow your minor children to be legal once they become adults sends the message come on over **** our immigration laws, sovereignty and border. Therefore it is not a solution to illegal immigration. At 18 that illegal is now voluntarily here illegally,so he or she can leave. Amnesty in any form rewards therefore encourages more of the undesirable behavior we are trying to stop. You wouldn't advocate that we reward bank robber, murderers, rapists and other criminals, so why advocate that we reward illegals for coming into this country illegally?
    No, James...but if I allowed bak robbery to go unpunished for 50 years and in fact told those bank robbers "gee, dont rob banks, but if you do, come share what you have stolen and it will all be OK" then I wouldnt be faux shocked that lots of people were committing bankrobberies.

    I havent suggesting the Dream Act is the solution to illegal immigration. I suggested it should be considered as a COMPONENET of combating illegal immigration, starting first with securing the borders, followed by strict enforcement to prevent new illegal immigrationa nd to discourage the current people here illegally and THEN as a means of dealing with the 20-30 million or so illegals we currently have.

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    A criminal act is committed by the parents just for moving here - "the land of opportunity"??
    Something is seriously wrong here and must be addressed...
    With what have the republicans countered , other than less spending and lower taxes?
    This "Dream" bill is interesting.
    If the end result is improving things, then I'd be for it....illegal immigration be damned!

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I suggested it should be considered as a COMPONENET of combating illegal immigration
    Combat suggest to fight off. If it encourages more illegal then it does not combat illegal immigration. Letting the children of illegals stay in the US because they got jobs or went to college does not combat illegal immigration. Its just a bribe to illegals to continue to come to the US illegally.

    starting first with securing the borders, followed by strict enforcement to prevent new illegal immigrationa nd to discourage the current people here illegally and THEN as a means of dealing with the 20-30 million or so illegals we currently have.
    You do not need amnesty or any form of it to secure the borders or enact laws on the local level to discourage illegal immigration. Illegals will leave if they can not get jobs, get driver's licenses, enroll their kids into school and so on. The government can not be trusted with any compromise when it comes to dealing with illegals. Nor should they.
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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    A criminal act is committed by the parents just for moving here - "the land of opportunity"??
    No, a criminal act is committed by the parents moving here ILLEGALLY. Funny how people "forget" that word.
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