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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    I do not support amnesty as a general rule, I see no reason why we should reward criminal behavior with citizenship. HOwever, I think that exchanging citizenship for military service is a fair trade.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its part of the pro-illegal tactic to pretend they are against illegal immigration while at the same time saying its impossible to remove all these illegals. It makes it easy to push for amnesty if you pretend that the only other solution is a mass roundup.
    What about those of us that are ANTI-illegal but want to see a real solution as opposed to being a part of some other anti-illegal group of impotent raging ideologues gathered in a desperate limp circle jerk bound for no conclusion?

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    amnesty is PRACTICAL.
    There is nothing practical about making illegal immigration worse. Amnesty for illegals is like saying making bank robbery a misdemeanor is a practical solution to bank robber.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    amnesty is PRACTICAL.
    Amnesty is far from practical. What flipping a switch and turning 30 million immigrants into citizens do, do you think?
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    It's better than what we have now but I'd much rather see any illegal that is caught deported poste haste.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    What about those of us that are ANTI-illegal but want to see a real solution as opposed to being a part of some other anti-illegal group of impotent raging ideologues gathered in a desperate limp circle jerk bound for no conclusion?
    I have offered realistic solution many times.Many of which Oklahoma and Arizona have done like denying tax payer funded services and benifits to illegals, requiring police to verify the legal status of those they arrest and several other thing. There is no reason for any form of amnesty.

    I seen the game you phonies like to play. You sit there and claim you are against illegal immigration.While at the same time pretend that the only solution the anti-illegal immigration side has to offer is mass round ups and deportation, as though we are somehow even incapable of that and the only solution is amnesty, or making it totally easy for companies to import foreign workers(Bill O'Reilly does thing too).

    Anyone who is against illegal immigration knows that you do not reward illegal immigration with amnesty or some form of it. Because all it does is encourage more illegal immigration. We do not want more illegal immigration, that's the whole point of being opposed to illegal immigration in the first place. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, just common sense. Amnesty for illegal immigration makes as much sense as saying lets murderers off the hook to solve the murder problem, or lets pay off everybody's traffic and parking fines to solve the problem of people not paying their traffic and parking fines. So what the feds have refused to do their job and practically encouraged illegal immigration, This is why states must step in just like Oklahoma and Arizona did since it is a state and local problem. Illegals will either go back to their country or flee to the sanctuary states thus worsening their illegal immigration problem.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    20-30 million people. let that sink in a bit.
    We share some of the responsibility. We have spent 4 decades saying "follow the rules...but if you dont...well...shoot why not...come weed my garden or watch my chirruns. And dont worry about being caught...heck...worst case scenario we'll send you home for a weekend visit and you can be back by Monday...dont be late!" Often when finding difficult solutions there is what you should do and what you can do. Those things arent necessarily the same thing.
    Funny, I never said any of those things, I've never hired an illegal in my life, nor would I, nor has anyone I know. I want them to all go home and come back the right way.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I have offered realistic solution many times.Many of which Oklahoma and Arizona have done like denying tax payer funded services and benifits to illegals, requiring police to verify the legal status of those they arrest and several other thing. There is no reason for any form of amnesty.

    I seen the game you phonies like to play. You sit there and claim you are against illegal immigration.While at the same time pretend that the only solution the anti-illegal immigration side has to offer is mass round ups and deportation, as though we are somehow even incapable of that and the only solution is amnesty, or making it totally easy for companies to import foreign workers(Bill O'Reilly does thing too).

    Anyone who is against illegal immigration knows that you do not reward illegal immigration with amnesty or some form of it. Because all it does is encourage more illegal immigration. We do not want more illegal immigration, that's the whole point of being opposed to illegal immigration in the first place. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, just common sense. Amnesty for illegal immigration makes as much sense as saying lets murderers off the hook to solve the murder problem, or lets pay off everybody's traffic and parking fines to solve the problem of people not paying their traffic and parking fines. So what the feds have refused to do their job and practically encouraged illegal immigration, This is why states must step in just like Oklahoma and Arizona did since it is a state and local problem. Illegals will either go back to their country or flee to the sanctuary states thus worsening their illegal immigration problem.
    Good lord...if you only knew just how funny that statement was. Dammit...that really hurts. I cant be a neo-con because I have too many liberal values, cant be a liberal because I have too many neo-con values, and cant be a Libertarian because I dont walk lock step with libertarian principles. Man...if I let others define me, Id REALLY be lost...

    You just cling to that 'line'...ignoring the fact that I AGREE with most of what you have posted. I am PRO Arizona...I think I have pretty clearly defended them at every turn here. I am pretty scathing in my criticism of sanctuary states and the ****hole they have dug for themselves. I have been nothing but critical of dems and reps and their impotent enforcement of immigration. I have stated on countless occasions that I am for strict enforcement of the borders. But because I am for what I believe is a realistic solution to the problem of teenagers living in America for years brought here by their parents...I'm one of 'those'..

    Seriously?

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Funny, I never said any of those things, I've never hired an illegal in my life, nor would I, nor has anyone I know. I want them to all go home and come back the right way.

    I'm not a hypocrite.
    Neither am I...Ive never hired an illegal nor would I. But you are absolutely blind if you cant see how WE as a COUNTRY have ignored the problem and encouraged illegal immigration for many decades. This isnt about being pro illegals (Im not) or anti-hispanic (Im not nor do I think you are). This is about finding a solution that will actually WORK.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    But because I am for what I believe is a realistic solution to the problem of teenagers living in America for years brought here by their parents...I'm one of 'those'..

    Seriously?
    Something that encourages more illegal immigration is not anti-illegal immigration, its pro-illegal immigration. Telling people hey not only can you give birth to anchor babies(children born to foreigners who can facilitate the legal immigration of relatives other than spouse or minor children under the provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965) we will also allow your minor children to be legal once they become adults sends the message come on over **** our immigration laws, sovereignty and border. Therefore it is not a solution to illegal immigration. At 18 that illegal is now voluntarily here illegally,so he or she can leave. Amnesty in any form rewards therefore encourages more of the undesirable behavior we are trying to stop. You wouldn't advocate that we reward bank robber, murderers, rapists and other criminals, so why advocate that we reward illegals for coming into this country illegally?
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