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Do You Support the DREAM Act?

Do You Support DREAM?


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Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

What about those of us that are ANTI-illegal but want to see a real solution as opposed to being a part of some other anti-illegal group of impotent raging ideologues gathered in a desperate limp circle jerk bound for no conclusion?

I have offered realistic solution many times.Many of which Oklahoma and Arizona have done like denying tax payer funded services and benifits to illegals, requiring police to verify the legal status of those they arrest and several other thing. There is no reason for any form of amnesty.

I seen the game you phonies like to play. You sit there and claim you are against illegal immigration.While at the same time pretend that the only solution the anti-illegal immigration side has to offer is mass round ups and deportation, as though we are somehow even incapable of that and the only solution is amnesty, or making it totally easy for companies to import foreign workers(Bill O'Reilly does thing too).

Anyone who is against illegal immigration knows that you do not reward illegal immigration with amnesty or some form of it. Because all it does is encourage more illegal immigration. We do not want more illegal immigration, that's the whole point of being opposed to illegal immigration in the first place. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, just common sense. Amnesty for illegal immigration makes as much sense as saying lets murderers off the hook to solve the murder problem, or lets pay off everybody's traffic and parking fines to solve the problem of people not paying their traffic and parking fines. So what the feds have refused to do their job and practically encouraged illegal immigration, This is why states must step in just like Oklahoma and Arizona did since it is a state and local problem. Illegals will either go back to their country or flee to the sanctuary states thus worsening their illegal immigration problem.
 
Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

20-30 million people. let that sink in a bit.
We share some of the responsibility. We have spent 4 decades saying "follow the rules...but if you dont...well...shoot why not...come weed my garden or watch my chirruns. And dont worry about being caught...heck...worst case scenario we'll send you home for a weekend visit and you can be back by Monday...dont be late!" Often when finding difficult solutions there is what you should do and what you can do. Those things arent necessarily the same thing.

Funny, I never said any of those things, I've never hired an illegal in my life, nor would I, nor has anyone I know. I want them to all go home and come back the right way.

I'm not a hypocrite.
 
Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

I have offered realistic solution many times.Many of which Oklahoma and Arizona have done like denying tax payer funded services and benifits to illegals, requiring police to verify the legal status of those they arrest and several other thing. There is no reason for any form of amnesty.

I seen the game you phonies like to play. You sit there and claim you are against illegal immigration.While at the same time pretend that the only solution the anti-illegal immigration side has to offer is mass round ups and deportation, as though we are somehow even incapable of that and the only solution is amnesty, or making it totally easy for companies to import foreign workers(Bill O'Reilly does thing too).

Anyone who is against illegal immigration knows that you do not reward illegal immigration with amnesty or some form of it. Because all it does is encourage more illegal immigration. We do not want more illegal immigration, that's the whole point of being opposed to illegal immigration in the first place. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, just common sense. Amnesty for illegal immigration makes as much sense as saying lets murderers off the hook to solve the murder problem, or lets pay off everybody's traffic and parking fines to solve the problem of people not paying their traffic and parking fines. So what the feds have refused to do their job and practically encouraged illegal immigration, This is why states must step in just like Oklahoma and Arizona did since it is a state and local problem. Illegals will either go back to their country or flee to the sanctuary states thus worsening their illegal immigration problem.

Good lord...if you only knew just how funny that statement was. Dammit...that really hurts. :roll: I cant be a neo-con because I have too many liberal values, cant be a liberal because I have too many neo-con values, and cant be a Libertarian because I dont walk lock step with libertarian principles. Man...if I let others define me, Id REALLY be lost...

You just cling to that 'line'...ignoring the fact that I AGREE with most of what you have posted. I am PRO Arizona...I think I have pretty clearly defended them at every turn here. I am pretty scathing in my criticism of sanctuary states and the ****hole they have dug for themselves. I have been nothing but critical of dems and reps and their impotent enforcement of immigration. I have stated on countless occasions that I am for strict enforcement of the borders. But because I am for what I believe is a realistic solution to the problem of teenagers living in America for years brought here by their parents...I'm one of 'those'..

Seriously?
 
Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

Funny, I never said any of those things, I've never hired an illegal in my life, nor would I, nor has anyone I know. I want them to all go home and come back the right way.

I'm not a hypocrite.

Neither am I...Ive never hired an illegal nor would I. But you are absolutely blind if you cant see how WE as a COUNTRY have ignored the problem and encouraged illegal immigration for many decades. This isnt about being pro illegals (Im not) or anti-hispanic (Im not nor do I think you are). This is about finding a solution that will actually WORK.
 
Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

But because I am for what I believe is a realistic solution to the problem of teenagers living in America for years brought here by their parents...I'm one of 'those'..

Seriously?

Something that encourages more illegal immigration is not anti-illegal immigration, its pro-illegal immigration. Telling people hey not only can you give birth to anchor babies(children born to foreigners who can facilitate the legal immigration of relatives other than spouse or minor children under the provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965) we will also allow your minor children to be legal once they become adults sends the message come on over **** our immigration laws, sovereignty and border. Therefore it is not a solution to illegal immigration. At 18 that illegal is now voluntarily here illegally,so he or she can leave. Amnesty in any form rewards therefore encourages more of the undesirable behavior we are trying to stop. You wouldn't advocate that we reward bank robber, murderers, rapists and other criminals, so why advocate that we reward illegals for coming into this country illegally?
 
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Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

Something that encourages more illegal immigration is not anti-illegal immigration, its pro-illegal immigration. Telling people hey not only can you give birth to anchor babies(children born to foreigners who can facilitate the legal immigration of relatives other than spouse or minor children under the provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965) we will also allow your minor children to be legal once they become adults sends the message come on over **** our immigration laws, sovereignty and border. Therefore it is not a solution to illegal immigration. At 18 that illegal is now voluntarily here illegally,so he or she can leave. Amnesty in any form rewards therefore encourages more of the undesirable behavior we are trying to stop. You wouldn't advocate that we reward bank robber, murderers, rapists and other criminals, so why advocate that we reward illegals for coming into this country illegally?

No, James...but if I allowed bak robbery to go unpunished for 50 years and in fact told those bank robbers "gee, dont rob banks, but if you do, come share what you have stolen and it will all be OK" then I wouldnt be faux shocked that lots of people were committing bankrobberies.

I havent suggesting the Dream Act is the solution to illegal immigration. I suggested it should be considered as a COMPONENET of combating illegal immigration, starting first with securing the borders, followed by strict enforcement to prevent new illegal immigrationa nd to discourage the current people here illegally and THEN as a means of dealing with the 20-30 million or so illegals we currently have.
 
A criminal act is committed by the parents just for moving here - "the land of opportunity"??
Something is seriously wrong here and must be addressed...
With what have the republicans countered , other than less spending and lower taxes?
This "Dream" bill is interesting.
If the end result is improving things, then I'd be for it....illegal immigration be damned!
 
Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

I suggested it should be considered as a COMPONENET of combating illegal immigration

Combat suggest to fight off. If it encourages more illegal then it does not combat illegal immigration. Letting the children of illegals stay in the US because they got jobs or went to college does not combat illegal immigration. Its just a bribe to illegals to continue to come to the US illegally.

starting first with securing the borders, followed by strict enforcement to prevent new illegal immigrationa nd to discourage the current people here illegally and THEN as a means of dealing with the 20-30 million or so illegals we currently have.

You do not need amnesty or any form of it to secure the borders or enact laws on the local level to discourage illegal immigration. Illegals will leave if they can not get jobs, get driver's licenses, enroll their kids into school and so on. The government can not be trusted with any compromise when it comes to dealing with illegals. Nor should they.
 
A criminal act is committed by the parents just for moving here - "the land of opportunity"??

No, a criminal act is committed by the parents moving here ILLEGALLY. Funny how people "forget" that word.
 
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