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Thread: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Oh... add to all of the above:
    Your road to citizenship is now permanently blocked.
    You really think people who have committed no crime and are only here because their parents brought them here when they were too young to make the choice on their own or who gave birth to them here should never be allowed to become citizens legally?

    I'm not generally for amnesty, but that's being a little too harsh.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So? They are still in the military, or in college bettering themselves. If someone is willing to do this why wouldn't we want them in our country?
    Well, there are hundreds of millions of people who would like to become US citizens. We can't accommodate all of them. The fact that someone is seeking to better himself is not automatically enough to warrant the granting of citizenship.

    Every day, we deny citizenship to foreigners who are seeking to come here legally and attend college. There's a pretty good argument that illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed to skip the line.
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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    You really think people who have committed no crime and are only here because their parents brought them here when they were too young to make the choice on their own or who gave birth to them here should never be allowed to become citizens legally?
    I might make an exception for minors brought here by their parents - however, there'd be no exception for adults.
    They would be, unquestionably, committing a crime.

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    I oppose the DREAM Act.
    I think we must be leery of Acts attached to other Acts. This seems deceptive to me. We also do not need more legislation and more bureaucracy at the federal/national level. In these tough economic times we cannot afford this Act either. We need to end the welfare at the federal and state level and modify immigration law. If you want me to explain please ask.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they are here illegally then they need to go back their country and come in just like those who came in legally did. No exceptions. When they turn 18 they are no longer a unwilling accomplice.
    Not all of Oklahoma's HB1804 was not blocked, neither was Arizona's SB1070 and this was just some piss ant low level federal judges that struck down some of the provisions not the supreme court.
    This will never change. This is why these things must first be enacted on the state level.
    I do not care if illegals move to another state.The more states follow Oklahoma and Arizona's example the more illegals sanctuary states will get and eventually those states will get sick and tired of having to deal with illegals. I can guarantee that California will get rid of its sanctuary stance when the huge vast majority of those 12-20 million plus illegals are living in California.
    If we cracked down on employers and states follow Oklahoma and Arizona's lead then there would be plenty of incentive for them to go back to their **** hole country. Like no job in the US, no education for your kids, no driver's licenses or ID, no food handlers permits, no business permits, no welfare,no food stamps, no section 8 housing, no automobile, not being able to cash a check and many other things would be plenty of incentives for them to go back home. Plus most of their family are in thier countries. Require a 6 month jail sentence for those in the country illegally. Heck if the feds actually did their job instead of just token enforcement there would already be plenty of incentives for illegals to go back home.
    What is real and workable about creating incentives for people to sneak into this country?
    You can deny tax paper funded benefits and services to illegals.Require police to verify the legal status of those they arrest.Make it is a state crime to knowingly transport an illegal. Require employers that contract with the government to use the federal computer system to verify the eligibility of applicants. Oklahoma has done these things.
    Dial it down a little and work with me here. First...I agree with your post above(#55)...a desirable and realistic set of rules and guidelines and ones that SHOPULD have been enforced for decades. Complete agreement. Second, I have stated that I totally agree that before ANY 'fix' can be put into place there has to be several steps taken to first secure the borders, increase enforcement, and eliminate the incentive to come here illigally. Third...finally...there are anywhere between 20-30 million people here illegally. I simply do not believe that you will arrest all of those people and send them back. Its simply an unrealistic solution. The dream act or some version of incentive for the children of those that came here illegally would yes...absolutely...give those here illegally an unfortunate advantage. You can chalk that up to OUR refussal to find real and workable solutions for 40 years. WE contributed to the environment. I think its OK to accept that mistakes were made in enforcement of immigration laws, fix those mistakes, then deal with the problem...the byproduct of those mistakes.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Third...finally...there are anywhere between 20-30 million people here illegally. I simply do not believe that you will arrest all of those people and send them back. Its simply an unrealistic solution. The dream act or some version of incentive for the children of those that came here illegally would yes...absolutely...give those here illegally an unfortunate advantage. You can chalk that up to OUR refussal to find real and workable solutions for 40 years. WE contributed to the environment. I think its OK to accept that mistakes were made in enforcement of immigration laws, fix those mistakes, then deal with the problem...the byproduct of those mistakes.
    Why do so many people insist that we either have to arrest every single one of them or none at all? Arrest the ones we can, work toward 100% enforcement and accept that we're probably not going to get them all. Perfection is not necessary, nor likely possible. Just do the best job we can.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why do so many people insist that we either have to arrest every single one of them or none at all? Arrest the ones we can, work toward 100% enforcement and accept that we're probably not going to get them all. Perfection is not necessary, nor likely possible. Just do the best job we can.
    20-30 million people. let that sink in a bit.
    We share some of the responsibility. We have spent 4 decades saying "follow the rules...but if you dont...well...shoot why not...come weed my garden or watch my chirruns. And dont worry about being caught...heck...worst case scenario we'll send you home for a weekend visit and you can be back by Monday...dont be late!" Often when finding difficult solutions there is what you should do and what you can do. Those things arent necessarily the same thing.

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    I think this is akin to wondering about how to jerk off while you ignore a sucking chest wound.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why do so many people insist that we either have to arrest every single one of them or none at all? Arrest the ones we can, work toward 100% enforcement and accept that we're probably not going to get them all. Perfection is not necessary, nor likely possible. Just do the best job we can.
    Its part of the pro-illegal tactic to pretend they are against illegal immigration while at the same time saying its impossible to remove all these illegals. It makes it easy to push for amnesty if you pretend that the only other solution is a mass roundup.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Its part of the pro-illegal tactic to pretend they are against illegal immigration while at the same time saying its impossible to remove all these illegals. It makes it easy to push for amnesty if you pretend that the only other solution is a mass roundup.
    amnesty is PRACTICAL.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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