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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are you not basically saying screw it heres amnesty all you got to do is get a job or go to college to get it, two things illegals should not be doing in the first place?

    Securing the border is only part of the solution. You have to discourage illegal immigration as well. You do not need amnesty or any other reward that allows illegals to jump ahead of the line of everybody else. You have crack down on the traitors who hire illegals by making them subject to the same laws any other criminal who profited from illegal actives would be subject to. Which is prison time, heavy fines, assets seizure and forfeiture. If an illegal is caught toss his or her ass in jail for six months plus additional time for other crimes and then deport their ass. Deny tax payer funded services such as tuition, driver's licenses, welfare,section 8 housing, food handlers permits, IDs and etc. Require that parents provide proof of residency and State issued ID or drivers license in order to enroll their children into school. Require that money wiring services, banks and check cashing places require their customers to show a valid state ID and proof of residency. Require police to verify the legal status of anyone they pull over for traffic offenses or some other form of legal contact. Require law enforcement verify the legal status those arrested. Require auto dealerships to verify that the individual buying,renting or leasing a car has valid state driver's license. Illegals who are caught should have their biometric data stored in a database and used to permanently deny entry into the US.
    Wow...no...not at all. You are first instituting border security in several measures, second instituting real measures to remove the incentive for illegals to come here (sweeten the pot...ensure illegals cant receive federal social services), and then addressing a real and existing problem in an effective manner by making the children of illegal immigrants actually work pretty hard and provide significant service to be a US citizen.

    One of the problems I see with the current practice is that even if some states pass legislation, there will still be federal judges that strike down the legislation, there will always be politicians that will exploit the situation for votes and further perpetuate the problem, the illegals will simply move to different states or when they get desperate enough turn to other means. There is no incentive for them to juts go back to that ****hole. So. there HAS to be solutions and they HAVE to be real and workable.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How would more illegal immigration help this country? A practical way of dealing with illegal immigration is to discourage illegal immigration which is follow Oklahoma and Arizona's example.
    It would help this country by putting more college educated people out there, and giving us more members in the military.

    I disagree. There should be standards like passing a health screening, criminal back ground check, must be able to provide for him or herself, come here and stay here legally, know english or be in the process of learning english, must swear loyalty only to the US in other words no dual citizenship, not be affiliated with any terrorist or anti-American groups, and must accept and honor all our constitutional rights.
    I disagree with this. Except maybe the terrorist thing, but I subscribe to this thought to immigration.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I disagree. There should be standards like passing a health screening, criminal back ground check, must be able to provide for him or herself, come here and stay here legally, know english or be in the process of learning english, must swear loyalty only to the US in other words no dual citizenship, not be affiliated with any terrorist or anti-American groups, and must accept and honor all our constitutional rights.
    Uhmm, all of that would be part of getting into the military. So, after a few years, you would have a medically cleared, english speaking, American veteran and citizen vs an illegal immigrant with limited options. I don't get the opposition to this.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Uhmm, all of that would be part of getting into the military.
    If the dream act passes then the must come and stay here legally would be ignored.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It would help this country by putting more college educated people out there, and giving us more members in the military.
    You would still be increasing the number of illegals in this country with this incentive.


    I disagree with this. Except maybe the terrorist thing, but I subscribe to this thought to immigration.
    "Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
    I subscribe to the thought that we live in the greatest country in the world and I wish to keep it that way by enforcing standards.

    What do you have against the following-

    Pass health screening
    Criminal back ground check,
    Must be able to provide for him or herself,
    Come here and stay here legally
    Know english or be in the process of learning english
    Must swear loyalty only to the US in other words no dual citizenship
    Not be affiliated with any terrorist or anti-American groups,.
    Accept and honor all our constitutional rights.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    If you enter the country illegally, you should be forcibly removed.
    Or jailed, then foricbly removed.

    If your parent(s) entered the country illegally and then gave birth to you, you should not be granted citizenship and the lot of you should be forcibly removed.

    If you are here illegally, you should not be greanted any of the priviliges held by those that are; this includes education and entitlement benefits.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wow...no...not at all. You are first instituting border security in several measures, second instituting real measures to remove the incentive for illegals to come here (sweeten the pot...ensure illegals cant receive federal social services), and then addressing a real and existing problem in an effective manner by making the children of illegal immigrants actually work pretty hard and provide significant service to be a US citizen.
    If they are here illegally then they need to go back their country and come in just like those who came in legally did. No exceptions. When they turn 18 they are no longer a unwilling accomplice.

    One of the problems I see with the current practice is that even if some states pass legislation, there will still be federal judges that strike down the legislation,
    Not all of Oklahoma's HB1804 was not blocked, neither was Arizona's SB1070 and this was just some piss ant low level federal judges that struck down some of the provisions not the supreme court.

    there will always be politicians that will exploit the situation for votes and further perpetuate the problem,
    This will never change. This is why these things must first be enacted on the state level.

    the illegals will simply move to different states or when they get desperate enough turn to other means.
    I do not care if illegals move to another state.The more states follow Oklahoma and Arizona's example the more illegals sanctuary states will get and eventually those states will get sick and tired of having to deal with illegals. I can guarantee that California will get rid of its sanctuary stance when the huge vast majority of those 12-20 million plus illegals are living in California.



    There is no incentive for them to juts go back to that ****hole.
    If we cracked down on employers and states follow Oklahoma and Arizona's lead then there would be plenty of incentive for them to go back to their **** hole country. Like no job in the US, no education for your kids, no driver's licenses or ID, no food handlers permits, no business permits, no welfare,no food stamps, no section 8 housing, no automobile, not being able to cash a check and many other things would be plenty of incentives for them to go back home. Plus most of their family are in thier countries. Require a 6 month jail sentence for those in the country illegally. Heck if the feds actually did their job instead of just token enforcement there would already be plenty of incentives for illegals to go back home.


    So. there HAS to be solutions and they HAVE to be real and workable.
    What is real and workable about creating incentives for people to sneak into this country?

    You can deny tax paper funded benefits and services to illegals.Require police to verify the legal status of those they arrest.Make it is a state crime to knowingly transport an illegal. Require employers that contract with the government to use the federal computer system to verify the eligibility of applicants. Oklahoma has done these things.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If you enter the country illegally, you should be forcibly removed.
    Or jailed, then forcibly removed.

    If your parent(s) entered the country illegally and then gave birth to you, you should not be granted citizenship and the lot of you should be forcibly removed.

    If you are here illegally, you should not be granted any of the privileges held by those that are; this includes education and entitlement benefits.
    Oh... add to all of the above:
    Your road to citizenship is now permanently blocked.

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Oh... add to all of the above:
    Your road to citizenship is now permanently blocked.
    This is what should happen to any illegal caught. No entry period, no visa of any kind.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
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    Harry Reid is pushing this, and I am curious as to what your opinion on it is. I am going to split the question up into two parts, do you support it as described above, or would you support it if you had to go the military route, not the college route.

    Poll options incoming, patients for my slow typing please.
    I would support it because it allows well-educated, young, and hardworking immigrants to become american citizens, which will in the end benefit us all. These are the exact type of people we should be looking for. Personally I would support the college option more than the military option.

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