View Poll Results: Do You Support DREAM?

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  • No, but I would if the college option was eliminated, you must serve in the military

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do realize that most military jobs are civilian equivalent jobs not combat jobs. So you would be basically saying get a regular job and you can stay.
    So? They are still in the military, or in college bettering themselves. If someone is willing to do this why wouldn't we want them in our country?
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So? They are still in the military, or in college bettering themselves. If someone is willing to do this why wouldn't we want them in our country?
    Because they are breaking our laws. Personally I think they should make it illegal for them to join the military. They shouldn't be accepting admitted offenders of the law who have not been to trial or deported for their crime. It's just not right.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I don't see how anyone would oppose someone that want's to be an American and is willing to work for it. Anyone that does this is obviously trying to do the right thing, why not support that?

    Why punish the child for the "sins" of the parents?
    If they wanted to be an American and wanted to work for then they would do the same thing as legal immigrants.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So? They are still in the military, or in college bettering themselves. If someone is willing to do this why wouldn't we want them in our country?
    You create another incentive for people to come here illegally.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Because they are breaking our laws. Personally I think they should make it illegal for them to join the military. They shouldn't be accepting admitted offenders of the law who have not been to trial or deported for their crime. It's just not right.
    But look at what law are they breaking? They are not hurting anybody, and do you really blame them. If you had a choice between living in Mexico or the US, and you tried to get here legally, but you can't because it's a pain in the royal ass to get in here legally, don't even tell me you wouldn't consider crossing the border.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You create another incentive for people to come here illegally.
    It's a practical way of dealing with the problem of illegal immigration, and it would help our country.

    We also need to make it easier to come in legally so that programs like this won't even be needed much.
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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I absolutely OPPOSE this only because harry Reid is tying it to the defense spending bill. What a ****ing piece of **** he is.

    The CONCEPT...I actually support. i know the arguments...it rewards illegal immigration...OK...I get that. But the reality is we have 20-30 million illegal immigrants here and no real solutions. This type of solution would do a few things...one...encourage them to come forward, two, address the problem in a realsitic manner, and three it would quite possibly create some very solid contributors to our country.

    Perfect in and of itself? I dont know enough about the specific legislation to say...but some type of a solution along these lines is going to HAVE to be found.
    I agree, especially with the part about Harry Reid. They also put the Don't ask don't tell, in there.
    One thing I would love to see changed is this kind of crap stopped.
    These things should be debated and voted on individually.
    Then they need to be put online for all to see for 5 days before they are signed into law.
    I think the Rep. are going to have something like that in their Contract with America to be released tomorrow.

    We really do need Immigration reform, but it needs to be discussed and discussed thoroughly. We don't need the likes of Harry Reid or anyone else writing something up and sticking it in another bill. It's just too important.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post


    It's a practical way of dealing with the problem of illegal immigration, and it would help our country.
    How would more illegal immigration help this country? A practical way of dealing with illegal immigration is to discourage illegal immigration which is follow Oklahoma and Arizona's example.

    We also need to make it easier to come in legally so that programs like this won't even be needed much.
    I disagree. There should be standards like passing a health screening, criminal back ground check, must be able to provide for him or herself, come here and stay here legally, know english or be in the process of learning english, must swear loyalty only to the US in other words no dual citizenship, not be affiliated with any terrorist or anti-American groups, and must accept and honor all our constitutional rights.
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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post

    We really do need Immigration reform, but it needs to be discussed and discussed thoroughly. We don't need the likes of Harry Reid or anyone else writing something up and sticking it in another bill. It's just too important.
    They deliberately stuck those things in because they did not want those things to pass. While at the same time they can claim they tried to pass it and put blame it on others for it not passing.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There are some MAJOR probelms with the 'just kick em out' strategy.
    1-Never will you get enough political support to make it happen, so nothing will change
    2-You will spend GAZILLIONS in arresting, housing, trying, legal challenges, appeals, and lose.
    3-Nothing long term will change.
    That's like saying we ought to allow murder because we'll never eradicate it entirely. One of the jobs of the government is to enforce the laws, period. Whether or not we'll ever run out of laws that need enforcement is irrelevant, so long as people are violating the laws of this nation, those laws need to be enforced, whether against one person or against millions.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's like saying we ought to allow murder because we'll never eradicate it entirely. One of the jobs of the government is to enforce the laws, period. Whether or not we'll ever run out of laws that need enforcement is irrelevant, so long as people are violating the laws of this nation, those laws need to be enforced, whether against one person or against millions.
    It is inane to equate the two crimes. We dont treat them equally in our enforcement currently, do we? I havent suggested ignoring the problem, I have suggested a reasonable and rational and realistic solution that might actually work.

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