View Poll Results: Do You Support DREAM?

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Thread: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Yes. I fully support this. You can beat your chest and say this is rewarding illegal activity, but this is a practical way to give hard working people who want to be in this country a way in. It would only help America, and this should be law.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    I don't see how it is awarding illegal activity. They will have to work hard in order to stay, completing high school and then at least partially completing college, or joining the military. All of those require work and dedication. If they meet the criteria and the criteria are actually enforced then it's going to turn people into citizens who have the most potential to contribute to the nation.

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    I oppose it! Period!
    Why do Libertarians not like Mexicans?

    They never complain when they get a cheap quote on a kitchen demolition.

    They never complain about low-priced produce, hamburger, or any other business that cuts overhead by hiring illegals.

    Not saying businesses should do that, just saying, cut the demand and the supply will go elsewhere. Go after big produce and big food companies that use illegal labor. Make hiring illegals a hefty fine, with possible jail time.

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Why do Libertarians not like Mexicans?
    Im a Libertarian and Puerto Rican descent, I dont like people who are illegally here. Amnesty and any other forum of their of is nothing but a slap in the face to legal immigrants who poored their blood and sweat to go through the cluster**** process of coming to this country.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Just kick em out is not the only solution. There is entice them to deport themselves by enacting laws similar to those in Oklahoma and Arizaona. We can enact tougher fines and punishments for those who hire illegals like prison time, make assets seizure and forfeiture laws apply to those who hire illegals and enact a mandatory 6 month jail sentence for illegals who are caught. You never allow illegals to walk freely into a government office when the government is supposed to arresting and deporting illegals.
    For me...I think I can see myself in the position of many of those illegal immigrants. If I had to live in that ****hole, I would do everything I could to escape it and find a way to provide for my family. The reality is that we have made the way here very easy and very enticing. We have given lip service to immigration laws and have certainly contributed to the problem. Im not taking the blame from illegals. Im not taking the responsibility from them. But there has to be a solution sooner than later...one that can actually work. The solution isnt a simple one. it takes a willingness to work with mexico, a unified national effort to make hiring illegal immigration an enforced criminal activity. The solution cant create a civil war. The solution has to be workable.

    But I DO understand the opposition. I guess agree to disagree...

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    States are starting to follow Oklahoma and Arizona's lead.So it is gaining political support.



    Not if you get most of the illegals to deport themselves.





    Fed up Americans are pushing for change on the local level.



    If you cause illegals to deport themselves it will not cost much. If you remove incentive to hire illegals you dry up illegal alien employment then you encourage illegals to leave, if you deny tax payer funded benefits and services to illegals you encourage illegals to leave. If you require police officers to verify the legal status of anyone they pull over for a traffic offense you make it less safe for illegals to drive on the road. If you repeal part of the INS Act of 1965 that allows for chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children you remove an incentive for someone to come here illegally.


    You do not say screw it and allow some form of amnesty, that just makes the problem worse.
    I agree that you dont just say screw it and allow amnesty. I think there are SEVERAL very real changes that HAVE to occur to secure border and effect long term change. Thats been the problem with the past amnesty efforts...it didnt do anything to prevent future problems.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yes. I fully support this. You can beat your chest and say this is rewarding illegal activity, but this is a practical way to give hard working people who want to be in this country a way in. It would only help America, and this should be law.
    You do realize that most military jobs are civilian equivalent jobs not combat jobs. So you would be basically saying get a regular job and you can stay.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I agree that you dont just say screw it and allow amnesty.

    Are you not basically saying screw it heres amnesty all you got to do is get a job or go to college to get it, two things illegals should not be doing in the first place?

    I think there are SEVERAL very real changes that HAVE to occur to secure border and effect long term change. Thats been the problem with the past amnesty efforts...it didnt do anything to prevent future problems.
    Securing the border is only part of the solution. You have to discourage illegal immigration as well. You do not need amnesty or any other reward that allows illegals to jump ahead of the line of everybody else. You have crack down on the traitors who hire illegals by making them subject to the same laws any other criminal who profited from illegal actives would be subject to. Which is prison time, heavy fines, assets seizure and forfeiture. If an illegal is caught toss his or her ass in jail for six months plus additional time for other crimes and then deport their ass. Deny tax payer funded services such as tuition, driver's licenses, welfare,section 8 housing, food handlers permits, IDs and etc. Require that parents provide proof of residency and State issued ID or drivers license in order to enroll their children into school. Require that money wiring services, banks and check cashing places require their customers to show a valid state ID and proof of residency. Require police to verify the legal status of anyone they pull over for traffic offenses or some other form of legal contact. Require law enforcement verify the legal status those arrested. Require auto dealerships to verify that the individual buying,renting or leasing a car has valid state driver's license. Illegals who are caught should have their biometric data stored in a database and used to permanently deny entry into the US.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    I don't see how anyone would oppose someone that want's to be an American and is willing to work for it. Anyone that does this is obviously trying to do the right thing, why not support that?

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    I voted that I support it but I think some flaws could develop, I mean this could provide an incentive for parents to illegally cross the border with their children just to give them a chance to take part in the dream act. It possibly would be better to take out college all together and just leave the military as the only option.
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