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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Because seriously...just kick em out is NOT going to EVER happen.
    Just kick em out is not the only solution. There is entice them to deport themselves by enacting laws similar to those in Oklahoma and Arizaona. We can enact tougher fines and punishments for those who hire illegals like prison time, make assets seizure and forfeiture laws apply to those who hire illegals and enact a mandatory 6 month jail sentence for illegals who are caught. You never allow illegals to walk freely into a government office when the government is supposed to arresting and deporting illegals.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    I'm completely opposed to it. I don't care if they want to go home or not, they are here illegally, they shouldn't be given a choice. Anyone who wants to go back to their country of origin and then apply for legal immigration status is fine with me, more power to them. Until they are granted legal status however, they should not be here, period. I don't care what circumstances brought about their presence here, it's illegal, they need to go.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    What about having both college and military? Only 2 years college is way too little, so I clearly don't support as it is written.

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
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    Harry Reid is pushing this, and I am curious as to what your opinion on it is. I am going to split the question up into two parts, do you support it as described above, or would you support it if you had to go the military route, not the college route.

    Poll options incoming, patients for my slow typing please.
    I would amend it.

    1) You have serve in our military for at least 5 years without getting a dishonorable discharge.

    2) After getting a college degree, you have to spend at least 5 years in the civil service.

    3) I would grant 6 years of conditional status for those getting a college degree, then further extend that another 5 years for them to serve in the civil service.

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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I was unaware of this, though I suppose since I served with a couple Filipinos I should have been aware of it. Do you know the details of it?
    Filipinos got the best deal, they pay no taxs whatsoever. I know many that retired as 3 year Master Chiefs then when back to Pi and lived like kings on their retirements.

    Part of the SOFA agreement with many countries allows their citizens to join and earn breaks towards citizenship, such as waiver of fees, removal of some of the red tape, etc. Beyond AFN commercials I never had to look to deep into it since my specialty requires US citizenship and I've never had to pursue it for any of my sailors.

    As I understand it this applies to anyone of the SOFA countries, most of the Americas, and any of our territories and protectorates. Samoa, PR, etc.
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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Filipinos got the best deal, they pay no taxs whatsoever. I know many that retired as 3 year Master Chiefs then when back to Pi and lived like kings on their retirements.

    Part of the SOFA agreement with many countries allows their citizens to join and earn breaks towards citizenship, such as waiver of fees, removal of some of the red tape, etc. Beyond AFN commercials I never had to look to deep into it since my specialty requires US citizenship and I've never had to pursue it for any of my sailors.

    As I understand it this applies to anyone of the SOFA countries, most of the Americas, and any of our territories and protectorates. Samoa, PR, etc.
    That's 30, not 3. pardons.
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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    However, they still remained here as adults when they could have gone back to their native country. This is still criminal.
    No, it isn't.

    I support giving them a chance to become citizens, but I don't support the military option for the reason RightinNYC mentions. It would effectively give many of them a choice between serving in the military and being deported.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Change the poll to you must serve in the military for the standard four year contract.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Just kick em out is not the only solution. There is entice them to deport themselves by enacting laws similar to those in Oklahoma and Arizaona. We can enact tougher fines and punishments for those who hire illegals like prison time, make assets seizure and forfeiture laws apply to those who hire illegals and enact a mandatory 6 month jail sentence for illegals who are caught. You never allow illegals to walk freely into a government office when the government is supposed to arresting and deporting illegals.
    There are some MAJOR probelms with the 'just kick em out' strategy.
    1-Never will you get enough political support to make it happen, so nothing will change
    2-You will spend GAZILLIONS in arresting, housing, trying, legal challenges, appeals, and lose.
    3-Nothing long term will change.

    Look...I dont endorse or embrace illegal immigration and I absolutely get something HAS to change. But the hard line arrest and deport position simply is never going to happen. So as long as the hard line is the only line...nothing changes.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There are some MAJOR probelms with the 'just kick em out' strategy.
    1-Never will you get enough political support to make it happen, so nothing will change
    States are starting to follow Oklahoma and Arizona's lead.So it is gaining political support.

    2-You will spend GAZILLIONS in arresting, housing, trying, legal challenges, appeals, and lose.
    Not if you get most of the illegals to deport themselves.


    3-Nothing long term will change.

    Fed up Americans are pushing for change on the local level.

    Look...I dont endorse or embrace illegal immigration and I absolutely get something HAS to change. But the hard line arrest and deport position simply is never going to happen. So as long as the hard line is the only line...nothing changes.
    If you cause illegals to deport themselves it will not cost much. If you remove incentive to hire illegals you dry up illegal alien employment then you encourage illegals to leave, if you deny tax payer funded benefits and services to illegals you encourage illegals to leave. If you require police officers to verify the legal status of anyone they pull over for a traffic offense you make it less safe for illegals to drive on the road. If you repeal part of the INS Act of 1965 that allows for chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children you remove an incentive for someone to come here illegally.


    You do not say screw it and allow some form of amnesty, that just makes the problem worse.
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