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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I oppose it. The last thing an illegal should be able to do is freely walk into a government office without getting deported. Our government is supposed to be catching and deporting intruders, not letting them walk freely into government offices. I do not want some illegal joining the military with a POG(pronounced pōg. Acronym for persons other than grunt, a non-infantry solder or non-infantry MOS marine. In other words civilians in soldiers clothing) MOS just to be able to jump ahead of the line in front of everyone else.
    You have a really hilarious view of the military.

    So you don't think service to a country you want to join should move you ahead of those who did not serve?
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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
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    Harry Reid is pushing this, and I am curious as to what your opinion on it is. I am going to split the question up into two parts, do you support it as described above, or would you support it if you had to go the military route, not the college route.

    Poll options incoming, patients for my slow typing please.
    As it stands, non citizens can serve in our military and they receive a lot of benefits towards gaining citizenship not to mention all the other benefits serving garners. I've served with many such people and support it entirely.

    The college route I think is a bit harder to manage as it's pretty easy to be a student without actually doing any real schooling. It would take much more oversight than the military route. But if not abused, I'd support this route too.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You have a really hilarious view of the military.

    So you don't think service to a country you want to join should move you ahead of those who did not serve?
    You think someone who sneak into this country and joins a pog mos should be allowed to jump ahead over those who did come here legally?
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You have a really hilarious view of the military.

    So you don't think service to a country you want to join should move you ahead of those who did not serve?
    I can't speak for James. But I think their first service to our country would be to respect our laws, be deported, and enter legally. Them breaking our laws and disrespecting legal immigrants is a disservice to our country.
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    Re: Do You Support the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    As it stands, non citizens can serve in our military and they receive a lot of benefits towards gaining citizenship not to mention all the other benefits serving garners. I've served with many such people and support it entirely.
    I was unaware of this, though I suppose since I served with a couple Filipinos I should have been aware of it. Do you know the details of it?
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I can't speak for James. But I think their first service to our country would be to respect our laws, be deported, and enter legally. Them breaking our laws and disrespecting legal immigrants is a disservice to our country.
    But think of this: parents bring you here when you are a kid, you reach 18. You do not want to leave the country, so you choose to serve the country. You yourself are not really a criminal, and now have a route to staying without breaking laws themselves.

    Note I am not entirely sold on the concept myself. I am absolutely opposed to those who came here illegally on their own having a path to citizenship, but this seems somewhat of a different thing. It seems to be aimed at those brought here by there criminal parents.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I oppose it. The last thing an illegal should be able to do is freely walk into a government office without getting deported. Our government is supposed to be catching and deporting intruders, not letting them walk freely into government offices. I do not want some illegal joining the military with a POG(pronounced pōg. Acronym for Persons Other than Grunt. A non-infantry solder or non-infantry MOS marine. In other words civilians in soldiers clothing) MOS just to be able to jump ahead of the line in front of everyone else.
    Would it be more palatable if as a component of the enactment of SOME sort of a solution they first finished the wall, enhanced border security, joined forces with states like Arizona to oust illegals, created a national verification database, scrubbed social security numbers so that false or illegally obtained SSNs were eliminated and easily detected, fined employers for hiring illegal immigrants, THEN brought forward a more realistic solution to the illegal immigration problem? Because seriously...just kick em out is NOT going to EVER happen.

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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    I don't have a problem with the bill in theory. But I don't think now is the time to enact it. As long as the federal government refuses to take serious and necessary steps to combat the uncontrolled and unregulated flow of illegal immigrants, we shouldn't be adding incentives to illegally immigrate.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    I'm torn on this one.

    Children brought here illegally by their parents aren't committing a crime. They had no choice in the matter, and were just along for the ride. Staying after they become of age is a crime, but by that point (for some at least), America is the only home they have ever known. I think 16 is too old though. You are almost an adult by that point. Lower the limit some (to maybe 12 or 13) and I'd be more okay with it, ASSUMING that it was actually enforced the way it's written.
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    Re: Do You SUpport the DREAM Act?

    I'm against it, as it sets a bad precedent. We're trying to end the anchor baby movement, and all this would do is enforce it. Guilt by association should mean something these days.

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