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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh Internets View Post
    If you want your stolen money back then just go steal from a library or unpave a road.
    those are paid for by income taxes?



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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so if a tax hike loses revenue that is a government cost as well
    Indeed. If total revenue declines from the policy compared to its previous benchmark policy, then it has cost the government money.

    you refuse to admit that you have an opinion and others don't agree with it
    Then you must have ignored the post you quoted. Still pretending things you don't like don't exist I see.

    I want you to PROVE that tax cuts are COSTS to the government and citing economists means nothing to me since being an economist does not give t hem some special expertise on this subject.
    Did you really just argue that economists don't have special expertise on economic impacts from policies? Wow. That's almost basement worthy content!

    Let's do this real simple just for you.

    Revenue pre-tax cut: $100
    Costs pre-tax cut: $100
    Net surplus/deficit: $0

    Revenue post tax cut: $96
    Costs pre-tax cut: $100
    Net surplus/deficit: $(4)

    The tax cut just cost the government $4.

    the issue is whether tax cuts have to be paid for (note how you changed the issue with your moronic poll) and they do not.
    Uh how is that moronic? Tax cuts have to be paid for. No sensible person has ever argued otherwise. If tax cuts never needed to be paid for, then we would never have any taxes!

    If there were a balanced budget then you could argue that they have to be offset (ASSuming that a tax cut means less revenue which is NOT always true) by a reduction in spending somewhere else. but since there is no balanced budget and since much spending is not actually paid for my point that tax cuts do not cost us money is true
    "much spending is not actually paid" wtf are you talking about?

    Wow. Deep End.

    Still haven't gotten an answer on tax expenditures.

    Do you think that the child tax credit is FREE?
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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And reducing revenues is functionally a cost as the costs are no longer covered.
    Your assumption the tax cuts reduce federal revenue is invalidated by history. Even that boob JFK realized that.

    However, if you're really really angst ridden over this mythical expansion of Obama's deficit, then by all means, start demanding that Obama begin cutting spending by two dollars for each dollar in tax cuts.

    I mean, seriously, the Messiah his Holy Self can't cut a multi-trillion dollar budget by a mere ten percent?
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 09-19-10 at 12:38 AM.

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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Why are you using free when I said tax cuts are not a cost.

    if all the government spending was actually paid for would we have a deficit

    do you have any expertise in this subject? do you understand that expertise might mean an opinion is valid and it may not?



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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Your assumption the tax cuts reduce federal revenue is invalidated by history. Even that boob JFK realized that.
    And you are failing to prove that it was tax cuts. Ever heard of a concept called "linear regression?" Try it.

    However, if you're really really angst ridden over this mythical expansion of Obama's deficit, then by all means, start demanding that Obama begin cutting spending by two dollars for each dollar in tax cuts.
    And end up like many of the IMF countries? Hell No.

    I mean, seriously, the Messiah his Holy Self can't cut a multi-trillion dollar budget by a mere ten percent?
    Since when did the Executive Branch control the purse strings?
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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Why are you using free when I said tax cuts are not a cost.
    No, you said tax cuts don't cost anything. If something doesn't cost anything, it's free. Seriously. Learn English.

    if all the government spending was actually paid for would we have a deficit
    Come again? if all government spending was paid for, we would have a balanced budget. Do you not know what a deficit is?

    do you have any expertise in this subject? do you understand that expertise might mean an opinion is valid and it may not?
    See above.
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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by Teh Internets View Post
    If you want your stolen money back then just go steal from a library or unpave a road.
    Why don't we all steal the teacher's BMW's, since the Constitution forbids federal expenditures on education?

    How about if we raid the Smithsonian, since the Constitution makes no allowance for the federal government to steal money from us to buy art?

    There's lots and lots of things that are funded with stolen money, namely everything the federal government does thats in violation of the Constitution.

    Socialist Security.
    Welfare.
    Medicare.
    MessiahCare.
    National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities.
    Foreign Aid.
    Political campaigns.
    Education.
    etc.

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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And you are failing to prove that it was tax cuts. Ever heard of a concept called "linear regression?" Try it.



    And end up like many of the IMF countries? Hell No.



    Since when did the Executive Branch control the purse strings?
    what's a veto-do you think the dems could override a veto of a spending bill?



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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No, you said tax cuts don't cost anything. If something doesn't cost anything, it's free. Seriously. Learn English.



    Come again? if all government spending was paid for, we would have a balanced budget. Do you not know what a deficit is?



    See above.
    tell me-when tax cuts were issued by the Bush administration, what was cut back to "pay for them"

    when the tax cuts continued what was used to "pay for them"



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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No, you said tax cuts don't cost anything. If something doesn't cost anything, it's free. Seriously. Learn English.
    Since tax cuts reliably result in revenue increases (since we're on the totalitarian side of the Laffer Curve), it's safe to say that tax cuts are self-financing.

    If something pays for itself, it's free, right?

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