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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes of course. It's government spending that isn't "free" - that should be obvious, obvious Child.
    By that measure, all tax credits and expenditures are free. Turtledude has run away from that constantly. Maybe you have the courage to take that up? I sincerely doubt it though.
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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    If you are speaking of an accounting cost, you are correct.
    I know. Thank you.

    If we are speaking of economic costs, you are incorrect.
    Not necessarily so - in letting people keep their money rather than giving it to the government, there is the probability of an economic benefit that exceeds the any 'economic cost' from depriving the government of revenue.
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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    I do know this. History shows that the government will out spend revenues no matter what the tax rate. (for the past 100 years except a short stint in the 30s and a couple years in the 50s) During that time frame tax rates have been astronomical. If tax rates were the problem we would have seen more years with decreasing debt. However spending causes the deficit. Until we are able to get spending below revenues a deficit will always exist.
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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    By that measure, all tax credits and expenditures are free. Turtledude has run away from that constantly. Maybe you have the courage to take that up? I sincerely doubt it though.
    I realize you cannot help talking about my points but I never ran away. Because I refuse to accept your definition you pretend that your perspective is the only one that matters even though numerous other posters have agreed that a lack of revenue (if that is the case and that is in doubt) from tax cuts is not the same as actually expenditures.



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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    I do know this. History shows that the government will out spend revenues no matter what the tax rate. (for the past 100 years except a short stint in the 30s and a couple years in the 50s) During that time frame tax rates have been astronomical. If tax rates were the problem we would have seen more years with decreasing debt. However spending causes the deficit. Until we are able to get spending below revenues a deficit will always exist.
    liberals gain most of their power through the redistribution of income that is used to buy the votes of many of their supporters. Cutting spending would be cutting their ability to win elections so they won't do that. Rather than upsetting their many supporters they propose more and more taxes on the small percentage of Americans who already pay most of the bills. Its a good strategy for winning elections but it is both unfair and ultimately doomed to collapse.



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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I realize you cannot help talking about my points but I never ran away.
    Actually you run away from everything you can't deal with. Hence why you are constantly fleeing from Lord T's posts.

    Because I refuse to accept your definition you pretend that your perspective is the only one that matters even though numerous other posters have agreed that a lack of revenue (if that is the case and that is in doubt) from tax cuts is not the same as actually expenditures.
    Maybe you should read Fluffy's posts as to why, you are as usual, wrong.
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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually you run away from everything you can't deal with. Hence why you are constantly fleeing from Lord T's posts.



    Maybe you should read Fluffy's posts as to why, you are as usual, wrong.
    wrong as usual. You confuse costs with revenue



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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Costs are spending period

    The government supports its spending through taxes. Nearly all government revenue has to be raised through taxes. Simple enough concept

    A government that run a deficiet is spending more then it currently raises in tax revenue, Deficiets are debt, unless a institution defaults it has to pay back its debts

    Therefore a tax cut that results in a government deficit has a direct cost on the taxpayer as the taxpayer will have to pay down government deficits along with ongoing government spending. Which means in the most simplistic terms that even the most dense moron who does not know how to wipe his or her but

    A tax cut without corresponding spending cuts to ensure a balanced budget will have direct costs on the taxpayer. They will be delayed but the cost is still there. In additioin to the future taxes that will have to be paid is the interest on the debt ( an added cost) which will increase the amount of taxes to be paid in the future. Which means of course TAX CUTS WITHOUT CORRESPONDING SPENDING CUTS TO RESULT IN A BALANCED BUDGET OR SURPLUS DOES CAUSE A DIRECT COST TO THE TAXPAYER, IN FUTURE TAXES AND IN INTEREST ON THE DEBT RESULTING FROM THE TAX CUT

    A tax cut may result in opportunity costs which are more indirect then the situation above.

    If you do not understand the situation above I suggest giving me all your money as you are too stupid to be trusted to control your retirement funds
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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Costs are spending period

    The government supports its spending through taxes. Nearly all government revenue has to be raised through taxes. Simple enough concept

    A government that run a deficiet is spending more then it currently raises in tax revenue, Deficiets are debt, unless a institution defaults it has to pay back its debts

    Therefore a tax cut that results in a government deficit has a direct cost on the taxpayer as the taxpayer will have to pay down government deficits along with ongoing government spending. Which means in the most simplistic terms that even the most dense moron who does not know how to wipe his or her but

    A tax cut without corresponding spending cuts to ensure a balanced budget will have direct costs on the taxpayer. They will be delayed but the cost is still there. In additioin to the future taxes that will have to be paid is the interest on the debt ( an added cost) which will increase the amount of taxes to be paid in the future. Which means of course TAX CUTS WITHOUT CORRESPONDING SPENDING CUTS TO RESULT IN A BALANCED BUDGET OR SURPLUS DOES CAUSE A DIRECT COST TO THE TAXPAYER, IN FUTURE TAXES AND IN INTEREST ON THE DEBT RESULTING FROM THE TAX CUT

    A tax cut may result in opportunity costs which are more indirect then the situation above.

    If you do not understand the situation above I suggest giving me all your money as you are too stupid to be trusted to control your retirement funds
    Did you think about this even a little bit while you were typing? I'm picturing a mental gearshift, brain sitting in neutral revving the engine, making a lot of noise and not going anywhere...

    Deficeits and debt are not the same. That's like saying speed and distance are the same.

    If a tax cut causes a direct cost to the tax payer, would you describe an increased income tax as an increase in the tax payer's income?

    Opportunity costs? I'm very interested to know what opportunity costs are incurred as a result of a tax cut...would you care to expand on that one?

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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Did you think about this even a little bit while you were typing? I'm picturing a mental gearshift, brain sitting in neutral revving the engine, making a lot of noise and not going anywhere...

    Deficeits and debt are not the same. That's like saying speed and distance are the same.

    If a tax cut causes a direct cost to the tax payer, would you describe an increased income tax as an increase in the tax payer's income?

    Opportunity costs? I'm very interested to know what opportunity costs are incurred as a result of a tax cut...would you care to expand on that one?
    the tax hike advocates are stuck on this BS that costs are spending. They have to make this idiotic claim in order to justify treating handouts to non-producerss as being the same as taking LESS from those who pay most of the taxes.



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