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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    your criticism was invalid, as well as insulting. that's the way you roll, evidently.
    So he calls you out on being the self appointed grammar police with the "WHO" vs. "THAT" and the criticism is invalid. Uh huh. You apparently roll the same way.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    your criticism was invalid...
    No... it wasnt. The only way for your point to stand was for you to stretch the definition of the term beyind its common meaning. That criticism is completely valid; nothing you have said since chnages that in any way.

    So, to have any chance of making your point stick, you have to resort to the dishonestly obscure and self-servingly insipid. Evidently, that's the way you roll.

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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So he calls you out on being the self appointed grammar police with the "WHO" vs. "THAT" and the criticism is invalid. Uh huh. You apparently roll the same way.
    i guess you missed the part where he insulted my intelligence first.

    Anyone that cannot discern between expenditure and income not generated really should not be posting here.

    anyway, who the hell asked you?

    you and goobie evidently DON'T know that many words have more than one definition. and that reduced revenue has the same freaking effect as increased cost. instead, you want to argue semantics. typical when your stance makes no sense.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i guess you missed the part where he insulted my intelligence first.
    I didnt do that first -- did that after explaining why your position is unsupportable, something you apparently still fail to grasp. The truth may hurt, but it is still the truth.

    anyway, who the hell asked you?
    What the matter? Dont like free speech?
    Then dont comment on a public board.

    You and goobie evidently DON'T know that many words have more than one definition.
    And YOU evidently don't know that when you have to dig and dig and dig for a defintion that suits you, it speaks volumes about the soundness (that is, th elack thereof) of your position.

    and that reduced revenue has the same freaking effect as increased cost.
    Ahh... moving the goalposts.
    The issue isnt if tax cuts have the 'same effect' as direct expenditures, the question is if they are a cost. Since tax cuts do not come from an outlay of revenue, the answer is, unquestionably, no.

    We understand that you and your ilk need to find a way to demonize the very concept of cutting taxes so that, hopefully, no one will ever accept the legitimacy of the idea; the desperate measures you have to take to do so are blatantly transparent to anyone with half a brain.
    But, that's how you roll.

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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Uh, all currency is property of the government. Way to fail. Hence why defacing currency is a crime.



    This is just for the Lolz.

    If you think that tax cuts are free, you must think that not selling doesn't cost you either. By not selling product, you don't bring in revenue. You no longer have that revenue to cover fixed costs. So your total profit declines as revenue has declined. That has effectively cost you. Drinking the Kool-aid doesn't change this basic accounting.



    It is a form of government spending. A tax brings in revenue, by effectively returning that revenue the government has spent that money.



    It takes no such thing. Only an understanding of the flow of money.
    OC, since the government is an extension of the people, are you prepared to make the argument that I have spent more money by putting less into the collective pot? I'm all ears (or in this case, eyes)...

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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I notice how you didnt use defintion 1a/b.
    If you have to hunt for a definition of a word you want to use in order to mae a point, it should tell you something.
    You just invalidated economics as we know it. "Economic costs are not real." -Goobieman

    why?

    "Because its the second definition of cost in the dictionary."
    Last edited by drz-400; 09-23-10 at 03:03 PM.

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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    You just invalidated economics as we know it. "Economic costs are not real." -Goobieman
    why?
    "Because its the second definition of cost in the dictionary."
    Let me type slowly...
    The issue isnt if tax cuts have the 'same effect' as direct expenditures, the question is if they are a cost. Since tax cuts do not come from an outlay of revenue, the answer is, unquestionably, no.

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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Let me type slowly...
    The issue isnt if tax cuts have the 'same effect' as direct expenditures, the question is if they are a cost. Since tax cuts do not come from an outlay of revenue, the answer is, unquestionably, no.
    If you are speaking of an accounting cost, you are correct. If we are speaking of economic costs, you are incorrect. Which cost do you think is more useful when analyzing the tax cut? Personally, I think the accounting cost of $0 is useless.

    You win though...
    Lowering taxes is not an outlay.

    Will you admit now that taxes have economic costs, meaning foregone revenue?

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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    If you are speaking of an accounting cost, you are correct. If we are speaking of economic costs, you are incorrect. Which cost do you think is more useful when analyzing the tax cut? Personally, I think the accounting cost of $0 is useless.

    You win though...
    Lowering taxes is not an outlay.

    Will you admit now that taxes have economic costs, meaning foregone revenue?
    What is interesting is that this thread was started as an attack on my position which you basically agree with. I was correct in noting that tax cuts cost nothing since they are not an expenditure but come from the other side of the ledger. As everyone noted, an expenditure is different than less revenue. Those who unsuccessfully tried to riducle me by using an expansive definition of cost failed. And the main purpose of this was to try to further the wealth-stealers' claim that tax cuts are no different than handouts to people who don't pay taxes. This of course is complete and utter bull poop but that is the mindset of the wealth stealers



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    Re: Tax cuts are free

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    What is interesting is that this thread was started as an attack on my position which you basically agree with. I was correct in noting that tax cuts cost nothing since they are not an expenditure but come from the other side of the ledger. As everyone noted, an expenditure is different than less revenue. Those who unsuccessfully tried to riducle me by using an expansive definition of cost failed. And the main purpose of this was to try to further the wealth-stealers' claim that tax cuts are no different than handouts to people who don't pay taxes. This of course is complete and utter bull poop but that is the mindset of the wealth stealers
    I think people are attacking your position because you use the fact that a tax cut is not an expenditure, and thus has no accounting cost to argue that we should not worry about the budgetary impacts of tax cuts. It would be like arguing that loosing a job does not cost money so I should not worry about its affect on my personal budget. You have to look at the economic cost to know the effect a tax cut will have on the government budget. So congradulations, you won the debate no one really cares about, because it tells us absolutely nothing about the budgetary impacts of a tax cut.
    Last edited by drz-400; 09-23-10 at 11:28 PM.

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