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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    lNice strawman yourself.

    Nobody wants to take parenting away from parents. Nobody wants the government to parent for them. Nobody is talking about fining parents for allowing their kids to play violent video games. All the law is about is using the force of government to prevent children from video games deemed too violent. That's it.
    And that's a parents responsibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And at first you're saying it's too much and causing a nanny state despite the law already being used to restrict the activities of children, such as driving and purchasing pornography, and then in the same paragraph you're saying we should actually punish parents for choosing to allow their children to play violent video games.
    I'm appealing to the totalitarian streak. What? Too Wilsonesque? Heres and idea... Let parents decide what video games their kids play and if they don't know or don't care, it's none of the governments concern. No matter how much you claim government isn't being a surrogate, you keep proving my assertion in every post. Well done.


    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    AndWhich means you're either 1) being purposefully silly, or 2) unable to discern nuance on an issue. Restricting video game sales to children is a very moderate law, one that many stores are already voluntarily doing anyways. Why do you feel compelled to either make it a point of a nanny state taking over parenting which needs to be struck down or go to the opposite extreme and advocate using the force of law to punish parents who allow their children to play violent video games? The only one here advocating such extreme measures is you.
    Moderate is subjective. Government involvement is rarely positive. I simply want parents to be responsible and accountable whereas you want government to be a surrogate. I think vie made my view on that very clear. I don't want government telling me how much salt to put on my fries, tell me what is and is not "moderate" and has no business being mommy and daddy. Either you are a closet totalitarian or you've been brainwashed by the "it takes a village" crowd or maybe both.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    That's not even the issue.

    Now, proponents may want to make it the issue to support this measure. And opponents may want to make it the issue to refute this measure. But that's not the issue.

    The issue is "Should underage children be allowed to purchase video games found to have extreme violence on their own without any parental oversight, and if not should the California state government have the legal authority to prevent it?"

    I say No, underage children shouldn't have the innate right to purchase overly violent video games without parents' permission. I also think the California state government should have the legal authority to regulate this.

    And, should a parent decide their children can handle an overly violent video game, then that parent can just purchase the video game for their child and let their child have at it. Which, I think, is more preferable than the child making that decision for himself or herself.
    To be honest I believe that reality have a greater effect on a persons behaviour then fantasy. I dislike censorship generally speaking. I would not want to be in charge of what people are permitted to see or not in terms of content. I can also attest to the fact I have played video games since I was a boy .. as well as playing advanced dungeons and dragons as a pre teen. I do not think or believe that these activities cause violence in society. You can in no way convince me otherwise I have not a violent bone in my body and view "fights" negatively in nearly all situations.

    The rational behind censorship is that nurturing is everything and human nature a blank slate. I disagree in so many ways. I agree nurturing is key but it's not the lock and key. Somehow/someway we are all a combination of nurturing and our individual natures.

    Clearly if video game violence was a serious factor in causation of social violence then it would be even more wide spread. Obviously though a boy at home on friday night "fraging" his friends on xbox live is not a cause for concern.

    Just my opinion.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And that's a parents responsibility.



    I'm appealing to the totalitarian streak. What? Too Wilsonesque? Heres and idea... Let parents decide what video games their kids play and if they don't know or don't care, it's none of the governments concern. No matter how much you claim government isn't being a surrogate, you keep proving my assertion in every post. Well done.




    Moderate is subjective. Government involvement is rarely positive. I simply want parents to be responsible and accountable whereas you want government to be a surrogate. I think vie made my view on that very clear. I don't want government telling me how much salt to put on my fries, tell me what is and is not "moderate" and has no business being mommy and daddy. Either you are a closet totalitarian or you've been brainwashed by the "it takes a village" crowd or maybe both.
    So do you think we should repeal laws that require age limits for driver's licenses?

    So do you think we should repeal laws that prevent children from purchasing alcohol?

    So do you think we should repeal laws that prevent children from purchasing tobacco products?

    So do you think we should repeal laws that prevent children from purchasing porn?

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    To be honest I believe that reality have a greater effect on a persons behaviour then fantasy. I dislike censorship generally speaking. I would not want to be in charge of what people are permitted to see or not in terms of content. I can also attest to the fact I have played video games since I was a boy .. as well as playing advanced dungeons and dragons as a pre teen. I do not think or believe that these activities cause violence in society. You can in no way convince me otherwise I have not a violent bone in my body and view "fights" negatively in nearly all situations.

    The rational behind censorship is that nurturing is everything and human nature a blank slate. I disagree in so many ways. I agree nurturing is key but it's not the lock and key. Somehow/someway we are all a combination of nurturing and our individual natures.

    Clearly if video game violence was a serious factor in causation of social violence then it would be even more wide spread. Obviously though a boy at home on friday night "fraging" his friends on xbox live is not a cause for concern.

    Just my opinion.
    Well, again, the way I see it it's not even an issue about whether or not violence in video games should be censored. It's about whether or not the law can prevent children from purchasing video games deemed too violent.

    We already allow parents a great amount of control over their children and what they are and aren't exposed to. Because of that, I see this law as merely an extension of that.

    It doesn't censor anything. All it does is give parents more power in what their children are exposed to. And once those children are 18-years-old, they are free to purchase video games that are as violent as video companies make and that 18-year-old can afford.

    And it doesn't even do that. If a parent decides his 15-year-old son can handle a violent video game, that parent can still buy it for him and let him play it. All this law does it take that determination away from the child and back to the parent.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So do you think we should repeal laws that require age limits for driver's licenses?

    So do you think we should repeal laws that prevent children from purchasing alcohol?

    So do you think we should repeal laws that prevent children from purchasing tobacco products?

    So do you think we should repeal laws that prevent children from purchasing porn?
    I'm tempted to say "Yes", to all except the top one.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So do you think we should repeal laws that require age limits for driver's licenses?
    Parents are required to go with a new driver to get their permit and license when the child is under the age of 18. So the answer depends on the state your asking about or are you suggesting there should be federal requirement?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    SoSo do you think we should repeal laws that prevent children from purchasing alcohol?
    Parents should be involved in their Childs lives and guide them to discern right and wrong. The existing laws do not prevent children from purchasing, getting and using alcohol.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    SoSo do you think we should repeal laws that prevent children from purchasing tobacco products?
    . Parents should be involved in their Childs lives and guide them to discern right and wrong. The existing laws do not prevent children from purchasing, getting and using tobacco products.


    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    SoSo do you think we should repeal laws that prevent children from purchasing porn?
    Parents should be involved in their Childs lives and guide them to discern right and wrong. The existing laws do not prevent children from viewing pornography.


    Apparently you believe laws are the answer to all things and by proxy government. I believe involved parenting trumps laws. That does not mean all laws are ineffective, just the stupid law we're discussing which is about video games. The answer is not always another law.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Parents are required to go with a new driver to get their permit and license when the child is under the age of 18. So the answer depends on the state your asking about or are you suggesting there should be federal requirement?


    Parents should be involved in their Childs lives and guide them to discern right and wrong. The existing laws do not prevent children from purchasing, getting and using alcohol.

    . Parents should be involved in their Childs lives and guide them to discern right and wrong. The existing laws do not prevent children from purchasing, getting and using tobacco products.




    Parents should be involved in their Childs lives and guide them to discern right and wrong. The existing laws do not prevent children from viewing pornography.


    Apparently you believe laws are the answer to all things and by proxy government. I believe involved parenting trumps laws. That does not mean all laws are ineffective, just the stupid law we're discussing which is about video games. The answer is not always another law.
    Thank you for answering questions I didn't ask.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Thank you for answering questions I didn't ask.
    Thank you for asking irrelevant questions. The per suit of yet more government regulation and laws should always be challenged, except where your involved. I suspect you'd relish government involvement in all aspects of American life.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

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    I'm tempted to say "Yes", to all except the top one.

    Mwahahahahah!!
    I definitely say yes to all but the top one.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Another lost post, no thanks to the accursted "spell check"!
    Its no wonder few use the "service".
    Rules and regulations are necessary in any modern society, I think most men agree with this premise.
    But, when parents fail in their duties, the state must step in.
    Define fail......
    When the state fails, the Federal Government must act.
    Do we have any good accurate crime stats to prove anything?
    And, do we have the quality of enforcement?
    Last edited by earthworm; 09-22-10 at 01:14 PM.

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