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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No.

    Pornography tends to describe media of a sexual nature. What would be done for games that have excessive violence but no sex? Instances of this are FPS games that can be highly violent but no sex.
    So change the definition, government does that all the time. Or simply call it that generic catch all "offensive" - because we'll know it when we see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Also, some parents have no problem with exposing their kids to sexual situations but are against exposing them to violent situations. Other parents have no problem with violence but are against sexuality.
    Which means we should leave it up to parents and get the government out of the babysitting business.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Rather, I think new regulations for violence in games should be separate from regulations for sexuality in video games.
    All for the common good no doubt. It does take a village to raise children right?

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    Parents can't be with their kids 24-hours a day. If they could, then we wouldn't have all these missing and exploited children cases. And this regulation doesn't try to take over any parenting. Rather, it tries to help parents do their parenting. I don't see what's wrong with that.
    You may want the government to be a surrogate parent, I don't. If a parent needs help parenting, that's what grandparents are for. Kids sneak things all the time - it's in their nature to be curious where experience is lacking. Making games harder to get simply makes them more desirable. If that's the goal - this new surrogate parenting government style will certainly make every 12 year old boy get their older brothers to get them the game or, they'll sneak it or get copies of it anyway, then this new law will be wildly successful.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You may want the government to be a surrogate parent, I don't. If a parent needs help parenting, that's what grandparents are for.
    This is hardly the government being a surrogate parent. There's nothing wrong with the government labeling games as violent and preventing kids from buying them. Stores are doing this voluntarily anyways. All it means is that instead of being done by the industry itself it's being done by the government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Kids sneak things all the time - it's in their nature to be curious where experience is lacking. Making games harder to get simply makes them more desirable.
    It may be that kids sneak things all time. But that doesn't mean that just because they do, we should let them get away with it.

    Kids sneak alcohol all the time. That doesn't mean we should let 12-year-olds go into dive bars and strip clubs, does it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If that's the goal - this new surrogate parenting government style will certainly make every 12 year old boy get their older brothers to get them the game or, they'll sneak it or get copies of it anyway, then this new law will be wildly successful.
    This isn't surrogate parenting. Most parents don't want their kids easily exposed to sex and violence. If parents do want their kids exposed to it, they'd buy their kids the game and let them play it. Just like parents can let their kids watch Cinemax late at night despite porn DVDs being restricted from being sold to minors. But most parents don't want their kids getting it on their own. Which is why it's restricted nation-wide. And not surrogate parenting.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    On November 2 the Supreme Court will hear EMA v Schwarzenegger, in which they will judge the constitutionality of a California law that bans the sale of violent, and sexually explicit(games rated M, and AO) video games to minors. If the law is upheld by the court it will be an unprecedented ruling, marking the first time the government would give a privately owned, and run entity, the ESRB the power to restrict the sale of a product. While it may have popular support(72% of recently polled Californians agree with the law) many legal analyst suspect the law to shot down as unconstitutional, and thus giving video games the same protection under the law as other forms of speech.

    So I wanted to know what you guys opinion on the law is? Do you agree with, do you think it's constitutional?

    Personally I think it's unconstitutional, and will be shot down. The thing to remember is that the movie, and music industry's are not subjected to the same kind of laws, or restrictions. So why should video games be subject to a different standard than other forms of speech?

    Here is some more info on the case
    Schwarzenegger v. EMA -- Media Coalition
    The government doesn't need to be interfereing here. It's time for Arnold to be removed from the government.... as an alternative.... he can do an over-the-hill verison of Conan.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    This is hardly the government being a surrogate parent. There's nothing wrong with the government labeling games as violent and preventing kids from buying them. Stores are doing this voluntarily anyways. All it means is that instead of being done by the industry itself it's being done by the government.
    You said it yourself ... I'm just agreeing with you. The government is helping out parents ... sounds like a surrogate to me. Maybe parents should... I don't know... BE a parent? But I like where it goes... once the governemnt steps in, parents have full deniablity: The government failed at keeping violent games from a child which is why he grew up to kidnap, kill, skin and eat people and why the parent then sues the government for a hefty sum. Yay lawyers!

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    It may be that kids sneak things all time. But that doesn't mean that just because they do, we should let them get away with it.
    That's a parent's job and not my point at all. My point was this guarantees kids will sneak around more and virtually guarantees it.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Kids sneak alcohol all the time. That doesn't mean we should let 12-year-olds go into dive bars and strip clubs, does it?
    Nice strawman and irrelevant example. All this goes away with parent's being accountable and responsible. If you want the governemnt involved, put fines on parents when kids are caught or are found to have these games. That at least provides an incentive for parents to be more involved in the childs well being instead of passing the buck to the surrogate nanny government.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    This isn't surrogate parenting.
    It so is. As I've explained already.

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Most parents don't want their kids easily exposed to sex and violence. If parents do want their kids exposed to it, they'd buy their kids the game and let them play it. Just like parents can let their kids watch Cinemax late at night despite porn DVDs being restricted from being sold to minors. But most parents don't want their kids getting it on their own. Which is why it's restricted nation-wide. And not surrogate parenting.
    It so is.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, it would give the ESRB(Entertainment Software Rating Board), a privately owned, and run organization the ability to restrict the sale of certain titles from a portion of the populous under law. They are the organization that rates games, and it would be the first time in this country that a privately owned organization has that kind of power.
    You know, I never thought of that. This is another reason why I oppose it now. I private organization shouldn't have that kind of power.
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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    On November 2 the Supreme Court will hear EMA v Schwarzenegger, in which they will judge the constitutionality of a California law that bans the sale of violent, and sexually explicit(games rated M, and AO) video games to minors.
    The closed minded prudes will say yes, the progressive, open minded will say no... Next case...

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Nice strawman and irrelevant example. All this goes away with parent's being accountable and responsible. If you want the governemnt involved, put fines on parents when kids are caught or are found to have these games. That at least provides an incentive for parents to be more involved in the childs well being instead of passing the buck to the surrogate nanny government.
    Nice strawman yourself.

    Nobody wants to take parenting away from parents. Nobody wants the government to parent for them. Nobody is talking about fining parents for allowing their kids to play violent video games. All the law is about is using the force of government to prevent children from video games deemed too violent. That's it.

    And at first you're saying it's too much and causing a nanny state despite the law already being used to restrict the activities of children, such as driving and purchasing pornography, and then in the same paragraph you're saying we should actually punish parents for choosing to allow their children to play violent video games.

    The issue isn't whether or not children should be allowed to play violent video games. The issue is whether or not the government should use the force of law to prevent children from purchasing video games because not all parents want their children to be able to purchase it. If a parent is okay with a child playing a violent video game, they can just buy the video game for their kid. Which they do already since stores voluntarily restrict selling violent games to children.

    Which means you're either 1) being purposefully silly, or 2) unable to discern nuance on an issue. Restricting video game sales to children is a very moderate law, one that many stores are already voluntarily doing anyways. Why do you feel compelled to either make it a point of a nanny state taking over parenting which needs to be struck down or go to the opposite extreme and advocate using the force of law to punish parents who allow their children to play violent video games? The only one here advocating such extreme measures is you.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Personally, I am always amazed at how many Americans' are proud of living in the freest nation in the world. Yet they go through great lengths on censoring material that would make communist Russia proud.

    And I am surprised that over 70% of Californians agree with the law...if anything its the 10 people in California who bothered with voting so how can 7 decide what is ok for over 30million people? When the majority do not care about politics and would rather be the decider than the government?.....oh well it is what happens with a society so focused on being cool......

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Personally, I am always amazed at how many Americans' are proud of living in the freest nation in the world. Yet they go through great lengths on censoring material that would make communist Russia proud.

    And I am surprised that over 70% of Californians agree with the law...if anything its the 10 people in California who bothered with voting so how can 7 decide what is ok for over 30million people? When the majority do not care about politics and would rather be the decider than the government?.....oh well it is what happens with a society so focused on being cool......
    If a person isn't directly involved, it's hard to even get his/her attention, no involvement, no interest, no intelligent response.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Personally, I am always amazed at how many Americans' are proud of living in the freest nation in the world. Yet they go through great lengths on censoring material that would make communist Russia proud.

    And I am surprised that over 70% of Californians agree with the law...if anything its the 10 people in California who bothered with voting so how can 7 decide what is ok for over 30million people? When the majority do not care about politics and would rather be the decider than the government?.....oh well it is what happens with a society so focused on being cool......
    Nobody's censoring anything. Nobody's saying violent video games can't be sold in stores. Nobody's preventing the production of violent video games.

    All this game does is restrict selling video games with extreme violence to minors. Those who are over 18 are free to buy those games. Parents aren't prevented from buying those games and allowing their kids to play them. This is hardly censorship.

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