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Thread: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So I wanted to know what you guys opinion on the law is? Do you agree with, do you think it's constitutional?
    It's just another useless law.

    The only way a kid can get a hold of a video game (which is expensive) is by the parents buying it for them.
    Similar law in UK as well and hasn't stopped me buying my underage brothers 18+ games.


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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Video games back in the day weren't as prolific with graphic violence and sex. Most of this was due to 1) the low resolution of graphics of platforms at that time, and 2) self-regulation of the video game industry, such as Nintendo's Seal of Approval.

    I think the only extremely violent game there was back in the day was "Mortal Kombat." But that game is quite tame in comparison to the "Grand Theft Auto" series.
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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I have no problem with the state of California restricting the sales of video games to those under the age of 18. In fact, I'd prefer it if we started restricting things of a violent nature more and restricting things of a sexual nature less.

    And there's already precedence to this - we restrict the sales of pornography magazines to those under the age of 18 still, despite the fact that any kid can go to a porno site and get it that way.
    If so, then isn't it easier to simply declare these questionable games pornographic and use the same rules & regs? I agree that the states have the right to make these decisions and if their voters support such a restriction, it's fine. It's a state issue or even better - local government issue. I don't like the part of this that tries to be the parent where parents are absent, nor the supposed need of such parenting.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If so, then isn't it easier to simply declare these questionable games pornographic and use the same rules & regs?
    No.

    Pornography tends to describe media of a sexual nature. What would be done for games that have excessive violence but no sex? Instances of this are FPS games that can be highly violent but no sex.

    Also, some parents have no problem with exposing their kids to sexual situations but are against exposing them to violent situations. Other parents have no problem with violence but are against sexuality.

    Rather, I think new regulations for violence in games should be separate from regulations for sexuality in video games.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I agree that the states have the right to make these decisions and if their voters support such a restriction, it's fine. It's a state issue or even better - local government issue. I don't like the part of this that tries to be the parent where parents are absent, nor the supposed need of such parenting.
    Parents can't be with their kids 24-hours a day. If they could, then we wouldn't have all these missing and exploited children cases. And this regulation doesn't try to take over any parenting. Rather, it tries to help parents do their parenting. I don't see what's wrong with that.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I have no problem with the state of California restricting the sales of video games to those under the age of 18. In fact, I'd prefer it if we started restricting things of a violent nature more and restricting things of a sexual nature less.

    And there's already precedence to this - we restrict the sales of pornography magazines to those under the age of 18 still, despite the fact that any kid can go to a porno site and get it that way.

    I also think that such restrictions on selling games with adult themes to children will help the video game industry more than it will hurt. Let games written for kids be sold to kids. Let games written for adults be sold to adults.

    Considering the number of adults who play video games now, the industry will still cater to adults. In fact, this could be a big boost to video game stores. Most likely, big mart stores such as Wal-Mart and Target won't bother to sell such restricted video games. That will leave it to specialty video game stores such as GameStop to sell them instead. That gives video game stores a niche market on which they can capitalize.

    This ruling doesn't worry me in the least, and I can think it can actually be helpful to the video game industry.
    The thing is the movie, and music industry would not be under the same scrutiny under law as would the game industry if the law was upheld. Also there is no scientific evidence that violent video games cause violence.
    Another thing is that the restriction of sales of M rated games to minors is already voluntarily enforced by every major retail store that sells games. So it's not like a 13 year old can go up, and buy GTA 4 by themselves anyway. If the store is doing its job, which I think they are. The last several M rated games I've bought I have been carded to make sure of my age. This law would just make video games a persecuted form of speech, and give unprecedented power to the ESRB.
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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The thing is the movie, and music industry would not be under the same scrutiny under law as would the game industry if the law was upheld.
    They can always pass laws regarding the movie industry and the music industry. I wouldn't mind violence in those media to be restricted from children either.

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    Also there is no scientific evidence that violent video games cause violence.
    I never said there was, and I agree with you that there isn't. However, there are parents who don't want their children exposed to violence in video games, or at the very least want to be able to make informed decisions with regards to the video games they purchase for their children. I don't see why this can't be helped through the use of law.

    [QUOTE=Your Star;105899Another thing is that the restriction of sales of M rated games to minors is already voluntarily enforced by every major retail store that sells games. So it's not like a 13 year old can go up, and buy GTA 4 by themselves anyway. If the store is doing its job, which I think they are. The last several M rated games I've bought I have been carded to make sure of my age.[/quote]

    Well, if restriction of sales of M-rated games to minors is already voluntarily enforced by every major retail store that sells games, then what's the problem? All this law does is make it apply to all stores in California.

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    This law would just make video games a persecuted form of speech,
    Magazines aren't a persecuted form of speech because Playboy and Penthouse can't be sold to minors. Movies aren't a persecuted form of speech because kids can't buy "Biloxi Booty Babes #156." And those are laws that are nationwide. Likewise, video games won't be persecuted either.

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    and give unprecedented power to the ESRB.
    The ESRB are a non-profit self-regulatory organization, not a government agency. I don't know the details of that law, but I'd rather a separate state agency be made to decide how the law will be enforced, not a non-profit.
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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, if restriction of sales of M-rated games to minors is already voluntarily enforced by every major retail store that sells games, then what's the problem? All this law does is make it apply to all stores in California.
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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It's a beautiful thing for politicians - nothing changes, but they get to hype a new law that might bet them re-elected.
    Yup. Unlike other issues that actually matter.

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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Yup. Unlike other issues that actually matter.
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    Re: Your opinion on California's Violent Video Game Law?

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