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    Re: Are Christian Conservatives becoming Progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Ahh more diversion from you.
    What are you talking about? We're discussing people who use religion to try to shape policy. I told you where to look for those that do it on the left too. If you want to learn, you'll research it. What diversion?


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    Re: Are Christian Conservatives becoming Progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No, but it does help those who are poor be able to get assistance without having to hear someone preach to them to get it, which is important if they don't believe in Christianity.
    I don't preach to people who I give to.... ???


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    Re: Are Christian Conservatives becoming Progressive?

    Well this got off topic rather quickly.

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    Re: Are Christian Conservatives becoming Progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    Many on the LEFT also want to inject their religion into politics. If you can't see that, then you need to try a little harder. Start with Obama's spiritual advisor, Jim Wallis. And, you're right, it's antithetical.
    When you address my points about your claim of Jesus being apolitical and the right wings desire to inject Christianity into politics then I might address your obvious diversions.

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    Re: Are Christian Conservatives becoming Progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    When you address my points about your claim of Jesus being apolitical and the right wings desire to inject Christianity into politics then I might address your obvious diversions.
    I already did. I said some liberals desire to inject Christianity into politics TOO. There is no diversion. People on BOTH sides do it. Do you agree?


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    Re: Are Christian Conservatives becoming Progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I think we will always have some need for government assistance. However, it should be as a last resort and seldom as a permanent entitlement.
    Here's the thing. There are some people who can't take care of themselves. Many of these are mentally ill people. And of those, there are the retarded who cannot care for themselves by taking medication, unlike the mentally ill who are afflicted with disorders such as clinical depression or bipolar disorder.

    Such people require the care of professional social workers trained and educated in that area of expertise. Such care is required life-long for them. Without tax dollars supporting such social welfare programs for the mentally ill, they will only get support when people think of it. It times of economic recession such as that which is current, those who are mentally ill can lose out on the support provided by social workers. Without such support, those who are mentally ill can get into trouble, especially the law if they don't understand their actions.

    While I do agree with you that temporary social programs should not become permanent entitlements, there are some things that are too important to be trusted to charitable organizations, whether they be religious in nature or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    When people are allowed to keep more of their own money, they are better able to share with those in need. It's not just Christians who are charitable and not all Christians donate to only Christian organizations.
    You are right. However, there are some causes that people don't always think about. Like I mentioned before, social programs to give aid to the mentally retarded or the mentally ill.

    Also, there are many charitable organizations who act more like businesses than charities. Take, for example, the recent earthquake in Haiti. Many charitable organizations asked for donations for that cause. However, only a drop in a bucket of the millions that were donated actually contributed to any Haitian relief yet.

    One reason is because such organizations say "a portion of the proceeds" will go to the cause. The rest of it will go to executives and staff of that organization. I believe that Wyclef Jean was under investigation for taking a salary from a charity for Haiti relief that was about a quarter of a million dollars.

    That's why the only charity I give money to is a local charity that primarily gives toys to local kids whose parents can't afford them at Christmas. Nobody in that charity organization takes a salary of any kind - all the staff volunteers their time. This way, more of the money can go to the charitable cause.

    This has made me see many charitable organizations as corrupt, which is why I'd prefer government organizations instead. While I know that there is government corruption, I think that can be dealt with better than corruption in private organizations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    One of the saddist things I heard (not sure it passed) But Obama wanted to decrease the deduction that could be taken for charitable giving. It's like he was saying charity isn't a worthy cause, so give me the money and I'll decide who gets it.
    I don't want to live in a country where charity isn't a high priority.
    Here is the latest story I could find on that subject.

    Senate Rejects Obama Plan to Cut Tax Breaks on Charitable Gifts - Bloomberg

    However, it's important to note why he did that. He wanted more money to go to health care. He never said that charity isn't a worthy cause or should be a high priority. Rather, it's more like that money should go to help the health of our nation.

    And if people only give to charity for the tax deduction, how charitable is that, really?

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    Re: Are Christian Conservatives becoming Progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I don't preach to people who I give to.... ???
    No, but the religious charities you donate to may preach to those who are trying to receive to get help from that charity.

    For example, what is the likelihood that a Catholic charity that helps children get adopted will allow such children in their charity to be taken care of by gay and lesbian couples? Quite unlikely, since homosexuality goes against the dogma of the Catholic Church. Which means the children under their care will miss out on being taken care of because of the religious doctrine of the charity.

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    Re: Are Christian Conservatives becoming Progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No, but the religious charities you donate to may preach to those who are trying to receive to get help from that charity.

    For example, what is the likelihood that a Catholic charity that helps children get adopted will allow such children in their charity to be taken care of by gay and lesbian couples? Quite unlikely, since homosexuality goes against the dogma of the Catholic Church. Which means the children under their care will miss out on being taken care of because of the religious doctrine of the charity.
    I'm more of a personal giver. I give to individuals and families more than organizations. I do give to the local center that helps single moms and pregnant women. I also give to an animal organization.

    And I have never kept track of my charitable contributions to put on my taxes. Never. Seems odd to me to do that.


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    Re: Are Christian Conservatives becoming Progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I already did. I said some liberals desire to inject Christianity into politics TOO. There is no diversion. People on BOTH sides do it. Do you agree?
    So people on the left that are Christians get some ideas from the Bible

    I don't see them claiming this is a "christian nation" like people on the right do.

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    Re: Are Christian Conservatives becoming Progressive?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So people on the left that are Christians get some ideas from the Bible

    I don't see them claiming this is a "christian nation" like people on the right do.
    Again, that depends on what you mean by "christian nation". You don't seem to want to explain that.


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