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    Re: Space military branch - Navy or Air Force?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Let's say space travel becomes common place, enough so that we're able to militarize it. What branch, including ranks, should it be based on - the Navy, the Air Force, or something else?

    Most speculative fiction about space militaries have such a force be based on the navy. However, space seems to be the natural territory of the air force. So which should it be?



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    Re: Space military branch - Navy or Air Force?

    It never ceases to amaze me how folks will watch Star Trek or other Sci Fi and think that is how our military in space will be. Here is reality and some facts you can look up on the net:

    -The USAF is the US OFFICIAL agent for military actions in space, period.
    -The Navy passed it's largest space systems (Known as "The Fence") over to the Air Force in '04 as a result of this recognition. Naval Space Command has 350 people, Air Force Space Command has 37,000. Which do you think has the greater role in space?
    -From 1957 to 1964 ALL the major space projects and research were by the Air Force until the Demilitarization of Space Treaty was signed and amost every Air Force projected was dropped. NASA took over as the US role in space. ALL military payloads delivered in space are the responsability of the USAF.
    -In 2006 the Air Force had a separate and somewhat secret space shuttle program with it's own group of military astronauts out of Vandenberg that was shut down when the shuttle program had limits set and ended. Space projects are VERY expensive as seen by all the program cuts NASA has undergone.
    -While the Navy loves to brag about how many NASA astronauts came from the Navy, little know is that the Air Foce limited the number they would recommend while the Navy didnt limit and encouraged applications and recomendations. For the curent group the numbers are about the same.
    -Each branch has a specific jurisdiction and mandate; the Navy's role is protect and defend American interest as a SEA based force. The Air force has to do the same from the AIR. Space is the next medium over the air so space is an extention of Air Force jurisdiction just as air is over the sea and then Navy uses the air above the sea in the same way with what is a sea-bsed air force. This is why the Air Force will be the military agent in Space in support of all US actions. Should the treaty be violated, the Air Force will take lead in the development of space use just as it did before the treaty was signed.

    Keep in mind that while one can watch all the episodes of Star Trek and romantasize a naval space fleet in space, the reality is with the space treaty in place, the Air Force is responsible for any defensive activity in space and not the Navy. If I were to consider a sci fi show show for a probable scenario in the future, it would be more like Stargate and not Star Trek.

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    Re: Space military branch - Navy or Air Force?

    The question wasn't which branch space would be under, the question is which branch it should be based on. The obvious answer to that is the Navy. Large, movable base of operations. Hostile environment. Self-sufficient structures. Long supply lines. That's all Navy. Why reinvent the wheel when the Navy's model has worked fine for centuries? There will be some differences but I don't believe anyone (at least I'm not) advocating having the Navy take over space. Space will present it's own issues and have it's own missions, it needs to be it's own branch.

    I can see where the Air Force might be the best choice to handle ground to orbit operations, though, instead of the Space service.

    BTW - Sci-fi writers don't use the Navy out of some romantic notion, they use it because they don't want to reinvent the wheel, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The question is moot really. Last I knew NASA was under Airforce jurisdiction. So it would probably stay the same.
    NASA is a civilian space agency not under any military jurisdiction.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    It's debatable really. The Navy is a smart choice because the command structure of a large spaceship would probably work like a Navy ship, so it would be the smart choice, but some Science Fiction stories do go with Air Force, like Stargate SG-1.
    But with a couple of exceptions in the last seasons there were almost no spaceships. Those fighters may be space capable but they sure weren't ships.
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    Re: Space military branch - Navy or Air Force?

    .... how far did you new guys have to go back in order to dig up a 2 year old thread... jesus... necromancy is a big no-no.
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    Re: Space military branch - Navy or Air Force?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    .... how far did you new guys have to go back in order to dig up a 2 year old thread... jesus... necromancy is a big no-no.
    I didn't realize it was an old thread - it was on the main list and looked interesting.
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    Re: Space military branch - Navy or Air Force?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I didn't realize it was an old thread - it was on the main list and looked interesting.
    Not you. The other guy who dug it up.

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    Re: Space military branch - Navy or Air Force?

    There is a difference between a pilot and an avaitor. Navy rules. But the USAF is cool too. Love 'em both.

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    Re: Space military branch - Navy or Air Force?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Let's say space travel becomes common place, enough so that we're able to militarize it. What branch, including ranks, should it be based on - the Navy, the Air Force, or something else?

    Most speculative fiction about space militaries have such a force be based on the navy. However, space seems to be the natural territory of the air force. So which should it be?
    I'm going with the AirForce on this one, since among the military they're leading the way into orbit, until space-flight is relatively established, then the space division will brake off and become it's own branch.
    Last edited by Jerry; 02-21-12 at 02:13 PM.

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    Re: Space military branch - Navy or Air Force?

    Of course, in Stargate, the Air Force-run ships were designated "USS," which probably would not be the case. USAFS or something like that, more likely.
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    Re: Space military branch - Navy or Air Force?

    In most Science Fiction stories/movies that I have read/seen, the space military forces are organized much like current naval forces.


    It just makes sense....

    Assuming your space military forces are running around in large ships that require a large number of crewmembers, that is.

    Such is very similar to how naval forces function currently.

    By that measure, even if USAF continues to be in charge of space, I suspect that when or if (decades or centuries from now) large ships with high crew requirements are in use, they will need to be organized in a way similar to today’s naval forces.
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