Are you going to burn a Koran?

MSgt said:

It's not a matter of drawing any lines. We Americans have the right to piss on a picture of Allah and to serve Kool-Aid as we do it. However, stupid and pointless is stupid and pointless no matter how we decide to celebrate it.

No one with a brain (that matters) believes that placating towards our enemies will make them love us. However stupid acts of extremism in the Chrisitian world merely excite extremism in the Muslm world. Our enemies are distinct. Focusing on them is what I would expect from a nation that supposedly is educated beyond the rattlesnake passing of backwoods church dumbasses. More of this crap and even the French will seem enlightened.

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You are just looking at a symptom, not the cause.

Radical Islam is merely a symptom and is ultimately, not the problem. The problem is that "radical" Islam is not "radical". We call it that to disenfranchise it and separate it from the politically correct "moderate" Islam.

Islam declared jihad and fought to spread Islam from 632 AD until 1699 AD. Over a thousand years. Was that "radical" Islam. The destruction of Israel is pretty recent. Obviously, until recently, there was no Israel. But prior to the establishment of the British Raj, most of the Indian sub-continent was ruled by the Mughal Emperor, a Muslim. India had been part of dar el Islam and Muslims joined in the Sepoy rebellion of 1857 with the stated intention of restoring India to dar el Islam.

So there is historical precedent to re-conquering land that was once Muslim.

So, wtf is "radical" Islam? The fact of the matter is, it is a part of Islam that has always existed because the Koran and Hadith contain so much to support it and this is a common bs misconception (1-3% are actively enganging in active jihad against the Dar al Harib)

In reality, the vast majority of religous (practicing) Muslims support active jihad either passively or actively (money) because it is the bedrock of what is Islam. First, it is 'uncreated' - it has (to a practicing Muslim) always existed, even before the alleged revelation to Mohammad and second...it is the literal word of Allah, in Allah's own language (Arabic) and therefore can not be questioned.

ric27 said:

You are just looking at a symptom, not the cause.

Radical Islam is merely a symptom and is ultimately, not the problem. The problem is that "radical" Islam is not "radical". We call it that to disenfranchise it and separate it from the politically correct "moderate" Islam.

Islam declared jihad and fought to spread Islam from 632 AD until 1699 AD. Over a thousand years. Was that "radical" Islam. The destruction of Israel is pretty recent. Obviously, until recently, there was no Israel. But prior to the establishment of the British Raj, most of the Indian sub-continent was ruled by the Mughal Emperor, a Muslim. India had been part of dar el Islam and Muslims joined in the Sepoy rebellion of 1857 with the stated intention of restoring India to dar el Islam.

So there is historical precedent to re-conquering land that was once Muslim.

So, wtf is "radical" Islam? The fact of the matter is, it is a part of Islam that has always existed because the Koran and Hadith contain so much to support it and this is a common bs misconception (1-3% are actively enganging in active jihad against the Dar al Harib)

In reality, the vast majority of religous (practicing) Muslims support active jihad either passively or actively (money) because it is the bedrock of what is Islam. First, it is 'uncreated' - it has (to a practicing Muslim) always existed, even before the alleged revelation to Mohammad and second...it is the literal word of Allah, in Allah's own language (Arabic) and therefore can not be questioned.

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Radical Islam is like radical Christianity... they both blow up their enemies. Most Chrisitans and most Muslims have nothing to do with violence of any kind. Attempts to make it sound worse than it is, or more of the people more violent than they are, is nothing more than a fallicious attempt to smear the religion.

ric27 said:

Keep assuming...

Just where does the ****ing line in the sand get drawn? Between the protest over the this koran burning where members of this so-called peaceful religion chanted 'death to Americans' and some POS Iman declaring that if we do not allow the mosque to be built near the ground of the 9/11 murders there will be 'retribution' from the radical side or Islam.

I see our nation seemingly cater to muslims in the hope that they will play nice with us eventually...BULL****.

Does anyone truly believe that they will play nice and tolerate us if we admit defeat to them and bend over backwards and give them whatever they ask for in the name of tolerance?

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Last time I looked, it was the USA with more military bases and in more countries around the world and with the largest military force and most spending and with the most invasions, insurrections, and coup attempts than any other save the old USSR. Muslims are fighting each other and mostly in their own region of the world, except for terrorist organizations, which as we all know, can come in any shape and with any agenda.

Bodhisattva said:

C3PO gave some great advice... but what does burning a book have to do with killing terrorists? That one is a little beyond my comprehension, to be honest.

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I've had to explain that idea to others, then they go " oh, yeah". Glad you understood it.

R2D2 was instructed to not give offense to Chewbacca by letting him win.

We can't afford even the perception that we're willing to surrender our hard won freedoms because we're afraid some extremists might get unhappy. That tells them not only that we're afraid, but we're paralzed and that will be as dangerous as pissing of the little maggots.

The whole rationale behind their attacks is that the West is weak and won't respond effectively to their attacks. Jimmy Carter's incompetence fueled this idea, the inadequate responses of later presidents, especially Clinton, confirmed this in their minds, and that we struck as hard as we did after 9-11 surprised them, but they've also been paying attention to our turncoat elements, our appeasing Chamberlains, our cowards, and our subversive elements that want the US to fail.

We now have an islamophile president who is deliberately seeking to destroy this nation's role as a world leader. He's a foreign policy disaster, he's an economic disaster, he's a constitutional disaster.

We have problems.

Appearing to bow to the threats of fanatics who hate us anyway will only cause more problems in the long run.

MSgt said:

Both European World Wars were civil in nature.

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No.

Wars are always rude.

And since both World Wars were between recognized sovereign nations and not any sort of an attempt to establish a splinter nation from a larger parent or to wrest control of a nation by inhabitants of that same country with differing political views, they were in no sense "civil" wars.

If you can't figure that much out, if you want to insist on polluting the thread with nothing more than a conspiracy theory, you need to understand that I ain't gonna waste my time on you until you grow up and post comments relevant to the topic of the thread.

Not Kerry. The choice was between a man who made decisions, right or wrong, and a man who couldn't make a decision at all. What does that make you? Never fault a man for having to vote for the man he disliked the least.

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You HAD to vote?

Um...no, you didn't.

I voted for neither of them, I voted Libertarian for the simple fact that even though some of their ideas are wrong, I wasn't going to vote for Bush, because he's a liberal, or Gore, because he's a fool and a liberal, or Kerry, because he's a fool, a liberal, and a gigolo.

No one forced you to vote for anything. You made your choice and now you're rationalizing it becaue you feel guilty.

But even Bush knew the enemy was distinct. How you can't? Certainly you can't base **** on any real study or analysis. And certainly your life experience has never placed you in front of the actual enemy. You are running off decrepit hatreds and assumptions.

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Yes, you know my real life. After all, you've snooped my Facebook page and found my status as a CO in the Korean War.

Then again, I don't have a Facebook page and Korea was before my time, but then again, someone calling themselves "sergeant" might mean he's a hybrid between old Beatles song about some lonely hearts and a soft drink.

So, you should probably can the blind sniping because all you're proving when you do that is that you can't support your position with reason.

Fortunately, you are insignificant and are merely one of the faceless protected under those of us who have their heads firmly planted on top of our shoulders rather than up our asses.

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This will probably get you a warning when someone who cares notices it. But you really need to work on supporting your positions with something besides testosterone and adrenalin.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:

The whole rationale behind their attacks is that the West is weak and won't respond effectively to their attacks. Jimmy Carter's incompetence fueled this idea, the inadequate responses of later presidents, especially Clinton, confirmed this in their minds, and that we struck as hard as we did after 9-11 surprised them, but they've also been paying attention to our turncoat elements, our appeasing Chamberlains, our cowards, and our subversive elements that want the US to fail.

We now have an islamophile president who is deliberately seeking to destroy this nation's role as a world leader. He's a foreign policy disaster, he's an economic disaster, he's a constitutional disaster.

We have problems.

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If I may, let me expand on this..

The problem is one of mindset. The left mindset. They see terrorism as a crime instead of an act of war. Until that changes, they will keep doing what they have always done.

They don't understand the evil nature of some people. They were taught as children that when somebody kills, someone else must have done something to them to make them that way. This belief was then re-enforced by academics in college. Look at the period Clinton, Kerry et al went to school....and now, Obama

They truly believe that terrorism is a crime and trial and punishment is the way. They still don't understand that 9-11 was an act of war. They are still trying to figure out what we did to "cause" it. They still believe that if everyone has relatively the same amount of money in their pcoket and crap in their houses, most of this will go away.

They are blind to the will to power - which is funny, since they have it in spades themselves.

ric27 said:

If I may, let me expand on this..

The problem is one of mindset. The left mindset. They see terrorism as a crime instead of an act of war. Until that changes, they will keep doing what they have always done.

They don't understand the evil nature of some people. They were taught as children that when somebody kills, someone else must have done something to them to make them that way. This belief was then re-enforced by academics in college. Look at the period Clinton, Kerry et al went to school....and now, Obama

They truly believe that terrorism is a crime and trial and punishment is the way. They still don't understand that 9-11 was an act of war. They are still trying to figure out what we did to "cause" it. They still believe that if everyone has relatively the same amount of money in their pcoket and crap in their houses, most of this will go away.

They are blind to the will to power - which is funny, since they have it in spades themselves.

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amen brother...preach on!!!!

ric27 said:

If I may, let me expand on this..

The problem is one of mindset. The left mindset. They see terrorism as a crime instead of an act of war. Until that changes, they will keep doing what they have always done.

They don't understand the evil nature of some people. They were taught as children that when somebody kills, someone else must have done something to them to make them that way. This belief was then re-enforced by academics in college. Look at the period Clinton, Kerry et al went to school....and now, Obama

They truly believe that terrorism is a crime and trial and punishment is the way. They still don't understand that 9-11 was an act of war. They are still trying to figure out what we did to "cause" it. They still believe that if everyone has relatively the same amount of money in their pcoket and crap in their houses, most of this will go away.

They are blind to the will to power - which is funny, since they have it in spades themselves.

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nice no-fact post. you have no idea how i was brought up OR what i was taught as a child.

ric27 said:

If I may, let me expand on this..

The problem is one of mindset. The left mindset. They see terrorism as a crime instead of an act of war. Until that changes, they will keep doing what they have always done.

They don't understand the evil nature of some people. They were taught as children that when somebody kills, someone else must have done something to them to make them that way. This belief was then re-enforced by academics in college. Look at the period Clinton, Kerry et al went to school....and now, Obama

They truly believe that terrorism is a crime and trial and punishment is the way. They still don't understand that 9-11 was an act of war. They are still trying to figure out what we did to "cause" it. They still believe that if everyone has relatively the same amount of money in their pcoket and crap in their houses, most of this will go away.

They are blind to the will to power - which is funny, since they have it in spades themselves.

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:rofl, So let me get this straight, terrorism is an act of war, great, so those terrorists who blow up abortion clinics, who are you going to declare war on?

And conservatives obviously can't achieve higher education, 'cause only liberals go to college, and all liberals are socialists.

Your post is the biggest load of partisan nonsense I've read for a while.

liblady,

seems to me that this post was in no way directed at you personally. methinks she doth protest too much. by taking offense at this post, you label yourself as one of those leftists to which it applies. ironic

OscarB63 said:

liblady,

seems to me that this post was in no way directed at you personally. methinks she doth protest too much. by taking offense at this post, you label yourself as one of those leftists to which it applies. ironic

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he made a blanket statement which was false. how is it ironic that i dispute it? i think you might need a dictionary.

liblady said:

he made a blanket statement which was false. how is it ironic that i dispute it? i think you might need a dictionary.

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you mean like the false blanket statement you made when you started the thread about rightwingers adoring Beck, Palin et al???

maybe you need a dictionary...I suggest the first word you look up should be "hypocrit"

OscarB63 said:

you mean like the false blanket statement you made when you started the thread about rightwingers adoring Beck, Palin et al???

maybe you need a dictionary...I suggest the first word you look up should be "hypocrit"

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Maybe you should too, to check the spelling. :mrgreen:

PDB: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks

Shame Clinton didn't take THIS one a bit more seriously:

The following is the text of an item from the President's Daily Brief received by President William J. Clinton on December 4, 1998. It was declassified for the Report of the 9/11 Commission.

SUBJECT: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks

1. Reporting ["”] suggests Bin Ladin and his allies are preparing for attacks in the US, including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh ˜Umar ˜Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, and Muhammad Sadiq ˜Awda. One source quoted a senior member of the Gama'at al-Islamiyya (IG) saying that, as of late October, the IG had completed planning for an operation in the US on behalf of Bin Ladin, but that the operation was on hold. A senior Bin Ladin operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit IG counterparts in the US soon thereafter to discuss options"”perhaps including an aircraft hijacking...

Pretty specific, too.

OscarB63 said:

you mean like the false blanket statement you made when you started the thread about rightwingers adoring Beck, Palin et al???

maybe you need a dictionary...I suggest the first word you look up should be "hypocrit"

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funny...can't find it.

spud_meister said:

Maybe you should too, to check the spelling. :mrgreen:

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gotta love the spelling Nazis. they always seem to come out when they have nothing of substance to say.

(oooh, I better be careful or they will chastize {"chastise" is also an acceptable spelling } me for using "gotta" instead of the grammatically correct "have to" )

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gotta love the spelling Nazis. they always seem to come out when they have nothing of substance to say.

(oooh, I better be careful or they will chastize {"chastise" is also an acceptable spelling } me for using "gotta" instead of the grammatically correct "have to" )

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ya'll be fixin' to get a grammar lesson.

OscarB63 said:

gotta love the spelling Nazis. they always seem to come out when they have nothing of substance to say.

(oooh, I better be careful or they will chastize {"chastise" is also an acceptable spelling } me for using "gotta" instead of the grammatically correct "have to" )

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You told her to look up a word that you can't even spell. That's not grammar Nazi, that's just pointing out the irony and ridiculousness of your post. Kinda like what the Good Book says about getting the plank out of your own eye before helping someone else with the speck in theirs.

In other words, self pwnage is the best kind.

winston53660 said:

ya'll be fixin' to get a grammar lesson.

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I just find it oddly amusing that whenever someone has nothing of value to add to a discussion or no valid rebuttal to make about a comment, they jump on and nitpick over typos ( or is it typoes?? :lol: ) mispellings and errors in grammar. just because someone slept through 9th grade english class and doesn't know the difference between a dangling participle and a comma doesn't mean that person's comment is invalid.

Coronado said:

You told her to look up a word that you can't even spell. That's not grammar Nazi, that's just pointing out the irony and ridiculousness of your post. Kinda like what the Good Book says about getting the plank out of your own eye before helping someone else with the speck in theirs.

In other words, self pwnage is the best kind.

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potato/potatoe who gives a **** except a person with nothing of value to say?

OscarB63 said:

potato/potatoe who gives a **** except a person with nothing of value to say?

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Apparently you give a ****, as you keep weakly defending yourself. How's that for hypocrisy?

By the way, I notice your spelling suddenly became a whole lot better. I believe that's game, set and match for spud. :lamo

OscarB63 said:

potato/potatoe who gives a **** except a person with nothing of value to say?

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i think that's baiting/flaming. see ya.

liblady said:

i think that's baiting/flaming. see ya.

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You forgot to capitalize your "i" and the correct spelling is "you". :lol:

And who was I baiting/flaming??? The poster who is making personal attacks against me??? :lol:

Lighten up.

OscarB63 said:

You forgot to capitalize your "i" and the correct spelling is "you". :lol:

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Excuse me, I'm the grammar Nazi here, not liblady, and there should have been a comma after "i". :2razz:

spud_meister said:

Excuse me, I'm the grammar Nazi here, not liblady, and there should have been a comma after "i". :2razz:

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I thought you were the spelling Nazi, not the grammar Nazi? :lol: