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Are you going to burn a Koran?

Are you going to burn a Koran?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 6.8%
  • No

    Votes: 68 93.2%

  • Total voters
    73
And OT: I have burned and buried my Qu'ran before .... but probably for a different reason :shock:
That's it. I declare a jihad on your ass!
 
Lame...Dont go to Saudi...go to Syria. Go to Palestine. Go to Iran.

I have done a lot of work with the Jerry Springer type crowd...and so to my great discredit I will freely admit to watching at least a few episodes of Jerry Springer. Heres an observance...there are an awful lot of chippy little bitches in the crowd that talk tough and act tough...but the only reason they do is they KNOW that the security there will keep them from actually getting hurt. Same with the prisons...when the scared straight program was used the teenage thugs smirked and laughed because they knew at the end of the day they got to go home. Now...just how firmly would they have stood by their conviction if they had to spend the night...the lights went out and the cell doors went clank...and they faced the very real prospect of having their rectal temperature taken by a hardened inmate?

So go to all the places you'd be killed eh? That's how they prove their resolve? Intentionally doing something that gets them killed? Of course people here are more brazen because they know they'll be protected. Good! They should be! Why should you be made to suffer for the exercise of your rights? Why would you even suggest that they have to go to a place nearly guaranteed to make them suffer for the exercise of their rights? It's pretty lame. It's like saying you aren't going to take women activists seriously unless they preach about equality in Saudi Arabia or WeHateFreeWomen-astan. You can still have a valid point without the threat of physical violence against your person.

These jackasses are no different. yeah...look at us...we are burning Qurans. Right here...with guards...and cameras...and probably quite a few police officers...and for WHAT exactly?

Because they ****ing can. Because, this is still land of the free for now; and we are free to be as stupid as we like so long as we don't infringe upon the rights of others in the process.
 
Not only no, but HELL NO!

Anyway, I agree with the post above. ;)
 
That's it. I declare a jihad on your ass!

:D

The retarded pastor doesn't realise that burning the Qu'ran is actually not the worst thing that can occur to the Qu'ran.

Burning till ash is infact a more respectful way to dispose of Allah's words. A way that many Muslims use, remove certain words/texts and burn till ashes. That or covering it in white cloth and burying it deep and far away from where humans walk or tying it with something heavy and sending it in the ocean.

Oh the fools.
They are disposing it in a way I would my Qu'ran :mrgreen:

If they wanted to offend ... all they needed to do was stand on the Qu'ran .... or putting a dog near it, oh my god if they did that :shock:
That would be more horrifying than burning to me and I would be pissed off about that.

:shrug:
 
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A good case is being made to tax churches and mosques the same as any other political group. .
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A good case is being made to tax churches and mosques the same as any other political group. .
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Not really, as churches and mosques are religious groups, not political ones.
 
So go to all the places you'd be killed eh? That's how they prove their resolve? Intentionally doing something that gets them killed? Of course people here are more brazen because they know they'll be protected. Good! They should be! Why should you be made to suffer for the exercise of your rights? Why would you even suggest that they have to go to a place nearly guaranteed to make them suffer for the exercise of their rights? It's pretty lame. It's like saying you aren't going to take women activists seriously unless they preach about equality in Saudi Arabia or WeHateFreeWomen-astan. You can still have a valid point without the threat of physical violence against your person.



Because they ****ing can. Because, this is still land of the free for now; and we are free to be as stupid as we like so long as we don't infringe upon the rights of others in the process.

Indeed. If you have even the slightest hint of a spine...then yes. Otherwise you are a snippy little yapppy mutt that runs and hides under the bed if anyone stomps their foot at you.
 
If I were to find one of these trashy "books", I would read it, a little, and quickly tire of its message, and in a fit of anger, may even burn it. But, then I would also burn my other pornography...
Obviously, burning is not the way to go.
 
Indeed. If you have even the slightest hint of a spine...then yes. Otherwise you are a snippy little yapppy mutt that runs and hides under the bed if anyone stomps their foot at you.

So if you have the slightest hint of a spine, you will go to a country which is extremely hostile to your beliefs and ideology and preach/demonstrate in front of them. Otherwise you're a snippy little yappy mutt eh?

Tell me, you been to Tiananmen Square preaching the libertarian political ideology? I mean, if not then you must be a spineless snippy yappy mutt that runs and hides under the bed when anyone stomps their foot at you. Right? So I'm sure you went there with all your guns and stood there talking about oppressive governments, the free rights and liberties of the individual, probably even pulled out a weapon or two in demonstration of your right to keep and bear arms. Right? Cause you have at least a slightest hint of a spine, right?
 
Not really, as churches and mosques are religious groups, not political ones.
Is that a fact.??
No, it is not, there is a fine line between religion and politics as it is; many of these organization have crossed it.
 
Is that a fact.??
Yes.
No, it is not, there is a fine line between religion and politics as it is; many of these organization have crossed it.
Feel free to notify the IRS of any you believe to have crossed the line. I'm sure they'd be very interested in such organizations.
 
So if you have the slightest hint of a spine, you will go to a country which is extremely hostile to your beliefs and ideology and preach/demonstrate in front of them. Otherwise you're a snippy little yappy mutt eh?

Tell me, you been to Tiananmen Square preaching the libertarian political ideology? I mean, if not then you must be a spineless snippy yappy mutt that runs and hides under the bed when anyone stomps their foot at you. Right? So I'm sure you went there with all your guns and stood there talking about oppressive governments, the free rights and liberties of the individual, probably even pulled out a weapon or two in demonstration of your right to keep and bear arms. Right? Cause you have at least a slightest hint of a spine, right?

Ive spent 20 years in the middle of different wars serving 4 different presidents, picking up pieces of people and doing the job. Keep your pathetic little challenge and go back to killing zombies online, alright? Theres not much you have to offer me.
 
Ive spent 20 years in the middle of different wars serving 4 different presidents, picking up pieces of people and doing the job. Keep your pathetic little challenge and go back to killing zombies online, alright? Theres not much you have to offer me.

But Left 4 Dead is so awesome!
 
Ive spent 20 years in the middle of different wars serving 4 different presidents, picking up pieces of people and doing the job. Keep your pathetic little challenge and go back to killing zombies online, alright? Theres not much you have to offer me.

Much like you have not much to offer this debate. You demand that for other people to show their resolve, they must go to places where they will surely be condemned and preach their convictions. Yet you offer up no such conviction for your own ideologies. Until such time, what you said goes for yourself as well. You may have been in military, but military is different then going alone to a land in which you are surely to be damned for your convictions. So why don't you keep your pathetic little challenge and go back to trolling forums online, alright. There's not much you have to offer this debate.
 
Much like you have not much to offer this debate. You demand that for other people to show their resolve, they must go to places where they will surely be condemned and preach their convictions. Yet you offer up no such conviction for your own ideologies. Until such time, what you said goes for yourself as well. You may have been in military, but military is different then going alone to a land in which you are surely to be damned for your convictions. So why don't you keep your pathetic little challenge and go back to trolling forums online, alright. There's not much you have to offer this debate.

Yep...thats about what I'd expect from you. Classic. Watch out for the dust bunnies under the bed.
 
Yep...thats about what I'd expect from you. Classic. Watch out for the dust bunnies under the bed.

Aww, a deflection and a run away....that's about what I'd expect coming from you. Classic. Safely behind your keyboard you type demanding that others purposefully die for their convictions to demonstrate their resolve; unable to do the same yourself.
 
Aww, a deflection and a run away....that's about what I'd expect coming from you. Classic. Safely behind your keyboard you type demanding that others purposefully die for their convictions to demonstrate their resolve; unable to do the same yourself.

I think there is a difference between killing zombies on a computer and masturbating to anime porn vs spending 4 years IN those hostile places when it comes to actually standing by ones resolve, you ferocious little thing you.
 
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I think there is a difference between killing zombies on a computer and masturbating to anime porn vs spending 4 years IN those hostile places when it comes to actually standing by ones resolve, you ferocious little thing you.

Much as there is a difference between being in a military setting and sending someone alone to preach in a hostile country which would guarantee their death.
 
maybe you have missed it...I didnt say he didnt have the right to do what he does...I think he is a spineless little bitch for doing it from the safety of Florida. His actions WILL cause more soldiers to die. His actions will LIKELY (not definitely) cause terror attacks. His actions will most certainly cause OTHERS to pay for his spineless behavior.
 
maybe you have missed it...I didnt say he didnt have the right to do what he does...I think he is a spineless little bitch for doing it from the safety of Florida. His actions WILL cause more soldiers to die. His actions will LIKELY (not definitely) cause terror attacks. His actions will most certainly cause OTHERS to pay for his spineless behavior.

I think this is a valid point. I have to wonder how deep your convictions really are when you only express them from the safe shelter of a nation whose soldiers are dying to protect your freedoms.
 
That's a lot of future prediction there Madam Cleo. We predict it could cause more soldiers to die depending on how our enemies react. But they must choose to react. His actions may cause terror attacks depending on how the terrorists respond; but they have to respond. Other people have to make choices for your future to unfold itself; at that point the fault is on the ones who make the actions; not the one who burnt a book. You say for him to prove his convictions and resolve he must go to a hostile nation and preach his ideology. I say the same to you. Except that you have condemned this man in this case and make excuses for yourself. He does get the benefit of living in America and the protections that means for his rights and liberties. But that doesn't make his resolve strong or weak; it is merely a circumstance. But if you demand demonstration of resolve through accepting a death sentence, than that is applied equally across the board; not to just this man. Thus the same must be true of you as well. You are spineless less you happily trot off to another country to die for your convictions. Not as part of some military group where you have access to defensive and offensive equipment; but as yourself. Alone against the foreign government hostile to your beliefs. If that's what it takes to demonstrate resolve, then it takes that from everyone. Can you hold true to your own demands?
 
I think this is a valid point. I have to wonder how deep your convictions really are when you only express them from the safe shelter of a nation whose soldiers are dying to protect your freedoms.

And thus are you willing to go to a hostile country and preach your beliefs knowing that it is your death? I think the point is invalid as it is held to just one party. Additionally, it doesn't take into account other factors. I may have strong convictions of freedom and liberty, but those are held to here in America. I couldn't care less about China's freedom; that's their problem. Thus there is no point to go to China and preach about liberty and freedom knowing that it is my death. If America were that bad, then sure it would be worth it if it could provoke reaction as America is what I care about.

BTW, what freedoms of mine are currently being protected by our actions in the ME? Mine are secure, we fight not for the freedom and liberty of America.
 
That's a lot of future prediction there Madam Cleo. We predict it could cause more soldiers to die depending on how our enemies react. But they must choose to react. His actions may cause terror attacks depending on how the terrorists respond; but they have to respond. Other people have to make choices for your future to unfold itself; at that point the fault is on the ones who make the actions; not the one who burnt a book. You say for him to prove his convictions and resolve he must go to a hostile nation and preach his ideology. I say the same to you. Except that you have condemned this man in this case and make excuses for yourself. He does get the benefit of living in America and the protections that means for his rights and liberties. But that doesn't make his resolve strong or weak; it is merely a circumstance. But if you demand demonstration of resolve through accepting a death sentence, than that is applied equally across the board; not to just this man. Thus the same must be true of you as well. You are spineless less you happily trot off to another country to die for your convictions. Not as part of some military group where you have access to defensive and offensive equipment; but as yourself. Alone against the foreign government hostile to your beliefs. If that's what it takes to demonstrate resolve, then it takes that from everyone. Can you hold true to your own demands?

Can...have...and you are becoming just as annoying as the very ferocious, snippy, yappy little mutt.

"It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

Kabul resident, Rajab Ali said, "If this (burning of the Quran) happens there will be chaos in Afghanistan, and being a Muslim, if we don't defend the Quran then what else we can do?"

Thats from one story of about 100. Is it going to happen? Yeah...almost certainly Muslim extremists out there in the world will cause others to pay for his cowardice.
 
maybe you have missed it...I didnt say he didnt have the right to do what he does...I think he is a spineless little bitch for doing it from the safety of Florida. His actions WILL cause more soldiers to die. His actions will LIKELY (not definitely) cause terror attacks. His actions will most certainly cause OTHERS to pay for his spineless behavior.

I think this is a valid point. I have to wonder how deep your convictions really are when you only express them from the safe shelter of a nation whose soldiers are dying to protect your freedoms.

I don't want to derail the thread but some of us signed up to help protect the freedom of others, it went with the territory.

You could take this into a discussion which said only the military would be allowed freedoms as only they were prepared to shed blood for those freedoms. That certainly wasn't my thinking when I signed up as a young man. I regret that others will pay for this preacher's actions but on the other hand his actions and the blood of those who shed blood to allow such actions shows that our societies operate to higher ideals.

Not sure if I'm getting across what I mean properly.
 
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