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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    maybe you have missed it...I didnt say he didnt have the right to do what he does...I think he is a spineless little bitch for doing it from the safety of Florida. His actions WILL cause more soldiers to die. His actions will LIKELY (not definitely) cause terror attacks. His actions will most certainly cause OTHERS to pay for his spineless behavior.
    I think this is a valid point. I have to wonder how deep your convictions really are when you only express them from the safe shelter of a nation whose soldiers are dying to protect your freedoms.

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    That's a lot of future prediction there Madam Cleo. We predict it could cause more soldiers to die depending on how our enemies react. But they must choose to react. His actions may cause terror attacks depending on how the terrorists respond; but they have to respond. Other people have to make choices for your future to unfold itself; at that point the fault is on the ones who make the actions; not the one who burnt a book. You say for him to prove his convictions and resolve he must go to a hostile nation and preach his ideology. I say the same to you. Except that you have condemned this man in this case and make excuses for yourself. He does get the benefit of living in America and the protections that means for his rights and liberties. But that doesn't make his resolve strong or weak; it is merely a circumstance. But if you demand demonstration of resolve through accepting a death sentence, than that is applied equally across the board; not to just this man. Thus the same must be true of you as well. You are spineless less you happily trot off to another country to die for your convictions. Not as part of some military group where you have access to defensive and offensive equipment; but as yourself. Alone against the foreign government hostile to your beliefs. If that's what it takes to demonstrate resolve, then it takes that from everyone. Can you hold true to your own demands?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think this is a valid point. I have to wonder how deep your convictions really are when you only express them from the safe shelter of a nation whose soldiers are dying to protect your freedoms.
    And thus are you willing to go to a hostile country and preach your beliefs knowing that it is your death? I think the point is invalid as it is held to just one party. Additionally, it doesn't take into account other factors. I may have strong convictions of freedom and liberty, but those are held to here in America. I couldn't care less about China's freedom; that's their problem. Thus there is no point to go to China and preach about liberty and freedom knowing that it is my death. If America were that bad, then sure it would be worth it if it could provoke reaction as America is what I care about.

    BTW, what freedoms of mine are currently being protected by our actions in the ME? Mine are secure, we fight not for the freedom and liberty of America.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's a lot of future prediction there Madam Cleo. We predict it could cause more soldiers to die depending on how our enemies react. But they must choose to react. His actions may cause terror attacks depending on how the terrorists respond; but they have to respond. Other people have to make choices for your future to unfold itself; at that point the fault is on the ones who make the actions; not the one who burnt a book. You say for him to prove his convictions and resolve he must go to a hostile nation and preach his ideology. I say the same to you. Except that you have condemned this man in this case and make excuses for yourself. He does get the benefit of living in America and the protections that means for his rights and liberties. But that doesn't make his resolve strong or weak; it is merely a circumstance. But if you demand demonstration of resolve through accepting a death sentence, than that is applied equally across the board; not to just this man. Thus the same must be true of you as well. You are spineless less you happily trot off to another country to die for your convictions. Not as part of some military group where you have access to defensive and offensive equipment; but as yourself. Alone against the foreign government hostile to your beliefs. If that's what it takes to demonstrate resolve, then it takes that from everyone. Can you hold true to your own demands?
    Can...have...and you are becoming just as annoying as the very ferocious, snippy, yappy little mutt.

    "It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

    Kabul resident, Rajab Ali said, "If this (burning of the Quran) happens there will be chaos in Afghanistan, and being a Muslim, if we don't defend the Quran then what else we can do?"

    Thats from one story of about 100. Is it going to happen? Yeah...almost certainly Muslim extremists out there in the world will cause others to pay for his cowardice.

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    maybe you have missed it...I didnt say he didnt have the right to do what he does...I think he is a spineless little bitch for doing it from the safety of Florida. His actions WILL cause more soldiers to die. His actions will LIKELY (not definitely) cause terror attacks. His actions will most certainly cause OTHERS to pay for his spineless behavior.
    I think this is a valid point. I have to wonder how deep your convictions really are when you only express them from the safe shelter of a nation whose soldiers are dying to protect your freedoms.
    I don't want to derail the thread but some of us signed up to help protect the freedom of others, it went with the territory.

    You could take this into a discussion which said only the military would be allowed freedoms as only they were prepared to shed blood for those freedoms. That certainly wasn't my thinking when I signed up as a young man. I regret that others will pay for this preacher's actions but on the other hand his actions and the blood of those who shed blood to allow such actions shows that our societies operate to higher ideals.

    Not sure if I'm getting across what I mean properly.

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And thus are you willing to go to a hostile country and preach your beliefs knowing that it is your death?
    Well, I'm not religious. However, I have spent years working in dangerous crime-infested gang neighborhoods trying to reduce gang-related violence. I went to work every day knowing that I could die doing my job, and being willing to take that risk. I still have days where I work in dangerous areas, and where I am willing to take those kinds of risks to do what I believe is necessary. So, I understand a little bit about taking risks for changes that matter to me.

    BTW, what freedoms of mine are currently being protected by our actions in the ME? Mine are secure, we fight not for the freedom and liberty of America.
    You know I think we should GTFO of the ME today, and let them stew in their own self-created misery. This is also why I support cutting off corporate welfare for petroleum. We need to stop supporting these regimes.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 09-08-10 at 06:26 PM.

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Can...have...and you are becoming just as annoying as the very ferocious, snippy, yappy little mutt.

    "It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

    Kabul resident, Rajab Ali said, "If this (burning of the Quran) happens there will be chaos in Afghanistan, and being a Muslim, if we don't defend the Quran then what else we can do?"

    Thats from one story of about 100. Is it going to happen? Yeah...almost certainly Muslim extremists out there in the world will cause others to pay for his cowardice.
    I'll take the risk if it means upholding the free exercise of our rights and liberties in America. But it's pretty piss poor blaming the actions of terrorists on this one dumbass. People are responsible for their own actions, not the actions of others.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'll take the risk if it means upholding the free exercise of our rights and liberties in America. But it's pretty piss poor blaming the actions of terrorists on this one dumbass. People are responsible for their own actions, not the actions of others.
    True. But this guy needs to be called out on his own hypocrisy. It's not because of his actions that he has the right to do what he's doing. In fact, I suspect that if he were calling the shots, he'd create a sort of fascism that make sharia law look like a cake walk. It's not like this guy is any great supporter of the rule of law.

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Well, I'm not religious. However, I have spent years working in dangerous crime-infested gang neighborhoods trying to reduce gang-related violence. So, I understand a little bit about taking risks for changes that matter to me.
    Well very good. Would you do so in another country? One very hostile to your intervention? That's the scenario being discussed. As I said, in this country it's different because this is where we live and what we deal with daily. Making risks to enact improvement is worthwhile here, but would you risk it for something else? Something guaranteed to cost your life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You know I think we should GTFO of the ME today, and let them stew in their own self-created misery. This is also why I support cutting off corporate welfare for petroleum. We need to stop supporting these regimes.
    And I agree with that as well. It's not our job to fix the problems of the world, and our military should act in defense of our liberty and our freedom and our sovereignty alone.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    You could take this into a discussion which said only the military would be allowed freedoms as only they were prepared to shed blood for those freedoms. That certainly wasn't my thinking when I signed up as a young man. I regret that others will pay for this preacher's actions but on the other hand his actions and the blood of those who shed blood to allow such actions shows that our societies operate to higher ideals.

    Not sure if I'm getting across what I mean properly.
    You were very clear and concise. I just have zero respect for this man. He's all show and no real substance in his convictions.

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