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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Last time I looked, it was the USA with more military bases and in more countries around the world and with the largest military force and most spending and with the most invasions, insurrections, and coup attempts than any other save the old USSR.
    C'mon now. Look at the history. With Europeans having "embassies," in the form of colonies, all over the world they still managed to create two World Wars and sucked the whole world into their civil matters. America's military bases since Europeans left voids post WWII has done wonders for not creating a World War III. Sometimes you have to accept imperfection in order to repell greater devistation.

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Not reading 21 pages:

    So, my answer: No.

    Hell, I don't even know where to get a Koran, even if I wanted to burn one.
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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    No it would be a waste of a perfectly good match and lighter fuel (or gas).
    You ever read the Qu'ran? I'm not talking about cover to cover, but just as quick a glance as most do towards the New Testament as they claim otherwise. There is a lot of Buddhist mentality, which is what a lot of true Christianity is based on (Christianity was invented post New Testament). Did you even know that most all Muslim countries prescribe universal health care to their people? We, in America, can't even come to terms with this. Yet, it is largely due to basic Qu'ranic prescription.

    It's a good book that has been crapped on by Islamic extremists professing to hold it dear. There is nothing Islamic about the Tali-Ban or Al-Queda. Nothing Islamic about beheading prisoners or treating women as trash. This is the depravity of certain kinds of men, not a book. Even a Bible civilization managed to use scripture to burn "witches" and to make women earn their equal rights. America's claim to fame in regards to witches was around 18, but Europeans burned 1000s. Many indigenous tribes sufferred through identity because Christian men chose to lift specific scriptures above all others in order to "prove" their way into the afterlife. Burning the Qur'an makes as much sense as burning the Bible or a novel written by Jules Verne. Lessons can be learned from all. Only a fool would seek ways to legitimize his hatreds through them. Of course, we are evolving into calling those fools "patriots" today in America don't we? I have grown dissapointed in a nation that professes to speak for freedom and toleration and seeks to insult and provoke people to prove it.
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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    MSgt I appreciate everything you say. I went through a period of examining world politics and war as you just described, wherein the root of the problem is governments that are using radicals and made-up foreign enemies to distract their people from domestic problems that they created. Eventually I started to bury this notion because it seemed like whenever I spoke about it, no one was listening to me. I was even called a conspiracy theorist. It is so relieving to see someone with your education and experience say something that reflects what I have sort of thought for a long time, but convinced myself (through countless dead-end debates) that maybe I am wrong.

    If the root of the problem is the failure in Middle Eastern governance, then what is to be done? I agree that the solution is education, but government controls what that looks like, and if radicalism is serving political interests then it seems like radicals would infest education as well (as they have done in Iran). Is the solution to continue invading these nations and replace their defunct governments with something more realistic? I mean, how do we create a shift? It seems like the modern Muslims are the majority, but as you said they are just busy tending to their own lives. If a radical minority can cause so many problems and the government welcomes it, then what is to be done?

    I also really appreciate your FOX/CNN parallel because the western world is not above this kind of behaviour. Our governments use the bait/distract/deploy methods all the time through the news media, and now that the news is controlled by conglomerates it takes a simple phone call to change the game. You'll notice that as there are more domestic problems in the western world, the media will become increasingly volatile and outrageous. It's no coincidence.
    Oh, unfortunately, our enemies are extremely real. We have not provoked them as some may say and they aren't faceless as others may say.

    You hit on something that is horribly face slapping. - We are not able to control or to define this global problem. The mantra that "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink" is more real to the western world than possibly it has ever meant to anybody else. The security of an entire globe rests on what the west, America especially, is able to maintain as it reacts to a Middle Eastern threat. We can only go so far. We can wreck out our Cold War dictators, Saddam Hussein, and place a region on a positive path and wreck out a religious theocracy, the Tali-Ban, and do the same, but the masses have to drink. We did not create the colonialism that created Frankenstein Monster countries. We did not prescribe oppression. Even our sin of interefering with Iran (a Shia not a Sunni country) was centered around liberalizing that country (in which leftist hate us for today - haha funny). In the end, we have to force the modernist voice in Islam to prevail and without our military and western support they will fail. And this comes right back to our national securities.

    The American media has only one thing in common. They all believe in making a buck. Individually, reporters may care about things bigger than the local story or the sensational headline, but in the end they are one culminating beast that seek to display more drama than their rivals. This is why I have hated Fox's simpleton rally cries for "patriotism" and CNN's obtuseness for downplaying the reality over the last 7 years. I state this so often that I am sick of writing it....."BOOKS." Authors of experience and social analysts will always trump a reporter in front of a camera.

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    C'mon now. Look at the history. With Europeans having "embassies," in the form of colonies, all over the world they still managed to create two World Wars and sucked the whole world into their civil matters. America's military bases since Europeans left voids post WWII has done wonders for not creating a World War III. Sometimes you have to accept imperfection in order to repell greater devistation.
    I am not against our US military bases around the world. I am for them. They have made the world, and are continuing to make the world, a better and safer place. I was just countering his argument as having limited scope.
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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not against our US military bases around the world. I am for them. They have made the world, and are continuing to make the world, a better and safer place. I was just countering his argument as having limited scope.
    and in many places the US Military base is the major provider of jobs for the local indigenous population.
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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Ok.......... first of all, recognize who I am and my reputation. .
    Going to have to disagree with you here....


    I know a lot of guys that do it. I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with this little doozy, but I think you missed the mark. Let's try being nice for a change around here, eh?

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    No ; but hyper mania about immigration and religious extreemisim is darn near at a feverd pitch.
    I remind you, They STARTED it! By bombin our buildins with our planes and jumpin our fences to hide out in plain site and work here or live off our entitlement programs. We are in a fight to get back a more perfect union with liberty and justice for all. And yeh - it is like , Da be rapin ery body out here, and expecting us to continue to take it. Ainta gonna happen - NOMO!

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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by b.larset View Post
    No ; but hyper mania about immigration and religious extreemisim is darn near at a feverd pitch.
    I remind you, They STARTED it! By bombin our buildins with our planes and jumpin our fences to hide out in plain site and work here or live off our entitlement programs. We are in a fight to get back a more perfect union with liberty and justice for all. And yeh - it is like , Da be rapin ery body out here, and expecting us to continue to take it. Ainta gonna happen - NOMO!
    I hope not all conservatives think like you do. It would be a shame if they do.
    Not all Muslims are responsible for 9/11 - if they were, then your party really screwed the pooch! There we are in Iraq, sacrificing over 4000 Americans, thousands wounded to provide Muslims with a Democracy. If you believe that they started it by bombing our buildings, please explain why your party thought it would be a good idea to help them establish a Democracy.

    I'll be eagerly awaiting for your response!



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    Re: Are you going to burn a Koran?

    Quote Originally Posted by b.larset View Post
    No ; but hyper mania about immigration and religious extreemisim is darn near at a feverd pitch.
    I remind you, They STARTED it! By bombin our buildins with our planes and jumpin our fences to hide out in plain site and work here or live off our entitlement programs. We are in a fight to get back a more perfect union with liberty and justice for all. And yeh - it is like , Da be rapin ery body out here, and expecting us to continue to take it. Ainta gonna happen - NOMO!
    Wow.... you just set conservatives back about 150 years.
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